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I'm in a similar situation - turning 70 in September and currently receiving survivor benefits. This entire thread has been absolutely incredible! The level of detail and practical advice from everyone who's actually been through this process is amazing. I especially appreciate the consistency in recommendations - the 3-4 month advance timing, calling at 8 AM sharp, and using that exact phrase "convert from survivor benefits to my own retirement benefits at age 70." It's clear these strategies really work when you see multiple people mentioning the same approaches. One thing I wanted to add that might help others: I recently discovered that my local library offers free one-on-one help with Social Security questions through their senior services program. The volunteer who helped me was actually a retired SSA employee! She walked me through pulling my earnings record and helped me spot a small error from 2019 that I'm now getting corrected well in advance of my conversion. For anyone feeling overwhelmed by this process, check if your local library or senior center offers similar assistance. Having someone knowledgeable review your records beforehand could save you headaches later, and it's much easier than trying to navigate everything alone. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences - I feel so much more confident about my upcoming transition now!

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What a fantastic resource! I had no idea that libraries offered that kind of Social Security assistance - that's exactly the type of help I could use. Having a retired SSA employee review your earnings record beforehand is brilliant, especially for catching errors early like you did. I'm going to call my local library this week to see if they have a similar program. Even if they don't have retired SSA staff, they might have other resources or be able to connect me with someone who can help. It's so much better to get these things sorted out well in advance rather than discovering problems when you're trying to do the actual conversion. Your September timeline means you should probably start your process around May or June based on all the advice in this thread. You're smart to be planning ahead now! Thank you for adding this tip about library resources - I bet a lot of people don't know about services like that. Between all the strategies shared in this thread and community resources like what you found, this whole process seems much more manageable than it initially appeared.

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I'm currently 69 and will be turning 70 in July, so I'm in the same boat as many of you! This thread has been absolutely invaluable - I've learned more practical information here than from months of trying to research this on my own. I wanted to share something that might help others who are nervous about the process: I just completed my "practice call" (thanks to Zainab for that brilliant suggestion!) and it went so much better than expected. I called at exactly 8:00 AM yesterday and got through in less than 15 minutes. The representative was incredibly patient and helpful, and confirmed that my estimated retirement benefit would be about $280 higher than my current survivor benefit. She also walked me through exactly what documents I'd need for the actual conversion call and even gave me a heads up about a small discrepancy in my earnings record from 2018 that I can get corrected before I apply in March. Having that extra time to fix it could save me from benefit calculation errors later. For anyone still hesitating about making that first call - the practice run really does work! It's so much less pressure when you're just gathering information, and now I feel completely prepared for the actual application process. Plus, the rep made notes in my file about my planned conversion, which should help streamline things when I call back in a few months. The early morning calling strategy is definitely the way to go. Set that alarm for 7:58 AM and have your coffee ready - you'll be amazed at how quickly you get through!

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That's such encouraging news about your practice call! I'm turning 70 in March and have been absolutely dreading making that first call to SSA, but hearing that you got through so quickly and had such a helpful representative really gives me hope. The fact that she caught that earnings discrepancy and you have time to fix it before your actual application is exactly why the practice call idea is so brilliant. I'm definitely going to set my alarm for 7:58 AM next week and make my own practice call. Having that confirmation about your estimated benefit increase and getting all your documents lined up ahead of time sounds like it will make the real application process so much smoother. Plus, knowing they made notes in your file about your planned conversion is reassuring - it shows they really are set up to handle these transitions regularly. Thank you for sharing how well the practice call worked out! Between your experience and all the other detailed advice in this thread, I finally feel ready to take that first step instead of continuing to put it off.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and appreciate everyone sharing their experiences! Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like the 6-month retroactive limit is definitely standard, which is disappointing but at least now I know what to expect. The IRMAA impact timeline is really helpful to understand - I hadn't realized it would be a 2-year delay before seeing the Medicare premium increases. One question I have after reading through all these responses: for those who mentioned SSA making calculation errors on the WEP/GPO amounts, how long did it typically take to get those corrections processed? I'm worried about applying and then having to wait months for them to fix any mistakes. Also, has anyone had success with the Form SSA-521 that was mentioned for distributing retroactive payments across multiple months? That sounds like it could really help with the tax implications, but I'm not sure how difficult it is to get approved for that option. This whole process seems so much more complicated than it should be, but these real-world experiences are incredibly valuable for knowing what to prepare for. Thank you all for sharing!

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Great questions! From what I've seen in this thread and my own research, the correction timeline for WEP/GPO calculation errors seems to vary quite a bit - some people mentioned 3 phone calls while others had to visit offices multiple times. It's definitely worth being proactive about checking those calculations right away when you get your award letter. Regarding Form SSA-521 for distributing retroactive payments, that's something I hadn't heard of before this discussion either, but it sounds like it could be a real game-changer for managing the tax impact. @Ashley Adams mentioned using it successfully - maybe she could share more details about the approval process and timeline? I m'also curious about the timing of when to apply these strategies. Should we be requesting Form SSA-521 at the same time as filing the initial application, or is it something you handle after approval? The more we can plan ahead for these complications, the better prepared we ll'all be. This community has been incredibly helpful for understanding what s'really a very confusing system!

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Jacob Lee

I'm new to this community but facing a very similar situation with WEP/GPO and retroactive spousal benefits. Reading through all these experiences has been incredibly eye-opening - I had no idea about the IRMAA implications or the potential for SSA calculation errors. A few things I'm taking away from this discussion: 1) The 6-month retroactive limit seems to be the standard rule, 2) Setting aside 15-20% of any lump sum for future Medicare premium increases is smart planning, and 3) Carefully reviewing the WEP/GPO calculations when I get my award letter is crucial since multiple people mentioned errors. I'm particularly interested in the Form SSA-521 option for distributing retroactive payments that @Ashley Adams mentioned. Has anyone else successfully used this approach? It seems like it could really help minimize the tax impact of receiving a large lump sum payment all at once. Also, for those who had to correct SSA calculation errors - did you find it easier to handle corrections over the phone or by visiting a local office in person? I'm trying to plan the best approach since phone wait times seem to be a major issue. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences with this complex system. It's both frustrating and reassuring to know others have navigated these same challenges successfully!

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Welcome to the community! You're asking all the right questions based on what you've read here. From my experience dealing with similar WEP/GPO issues, I'd definitely recommend trying to handle corrections over the phone first if you can get through - it's often faster than scheduling an in-person visit. The challenge is just getting connected to someone knowledgeable. Regarding the Form SSA-521 for distributing retroactive payments, I haven't used it personally but it sounds like a really smart strategy to explore. @Ashley Adams seems to have had success with it, so hopefully they can share more details about the process. One thing I d'add to your takeaway list is to keep meticulous records of all your pension documentation from day one. Several people mentioned SSA using incorrect pension amounts in their calculations, and having everything organized will make corrections much easier if needed. Also, don t'hesitate to ask the SSA representative to walk through their WEP/GPO calculation step by step when you first apply - it s'better to catch any issues early rather than deal with corrections later. This community has been such a valuable resource for understanding these complex issues. Good luck with your application process!

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Liv Park

This has been such an incredibly informative thread! As someone who's been putting off learning about Social Security strategies, reading through all these responses has been a real wake-up call about how complex but important these decisions are. The key takeaway that really stands out to me is how much flexibility divorced spouses have compared to what I previously understood. The ability to claim reduced divorced spouse benefits as early as 62 (or at your current age of 63) without waiting for your ex to claim, combined with the option to later switch to potentially much higher survivor benefits, provides a level of strategic control that seems really valuable. Given the significant difference in your projected benefits ($3,750 vs $1,850), it sounds like you're in a fortunate position where even suboptimal timing decisions would still likely result in benefits substantially higher than your own retirement benefit. One thing that really struck me from all the responses is the importance of staying informed about your ex-spouse's status, since SSA doesn't provide automatic notifications. The practical suggestions about annual searches, social media monitoring, and obituary alerts seem like small efforts that could prevent missing out on significant benefits. For anyone else reading this thread in the future - definitely save or bookmark this discussion! The level of detailed, practical information shared here is exactly what's missing from most official SSA resources.

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I completely agree with your assessment about the flexibility that divorced spouses have! As someone just starting to learn about Social Security, this thread has been incredibly eye-opening for me too. What really surprises me is how these strategic options aren't more widely known or discussed. The original poster's situation shows how significant the financial impact can be - we're talking about potentially thousands of dollars per month in difference between various claiming strategies. I'm also struck by how proactive you need to be with the monitoring aspect. It seems unfair that SSA doesn't have any notification system for ex-spouses, especially when we're talking about such substantial benefits. But the practical suggestions people have shared here about staying informed seem very manageable. For those of us who are younger and not yet thinking about retirement, this thread is a great reminder to start understanding these rules early and to keep track of important documents and information about ex-spouses if applicable. The complexity is intimidating, but having years to plan ahead definitely seems like an advantage. Thank you to everyone who shared their expertise - this is exactly the kind of real-world guidance that makes these complicated rules actually understandable!

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As a newcomer to understanding Social Security benefits, this entire discussion has been absolutely invaluable! I'm currently 45 and divorced after 11 years of marriage, so while I have some time before I need to make these decisions, reading through everyone's experiences and expertise has given me a much clearer picture of what to expect and plan for. A few things that really stood out to me from this thread: 1. **The flexibility is remarkable** - I had no idea that divorced spouses could claim benefits without waiting for their ex to claim, or that you can switch between survivor benefits and your own retirement benefits. This gives so much more strategic control than I realized. 2. **Documentation is crucial** - The advice about organizing divorce decrees, marriage certificates, and keeping track of your ex-spouse's Social Security number early makes so much sense. Better to gather these things now when there's no time pressure. 3. **The monitoring challenge is real** - The fact that SSA doesn't notify ex-spouses about deaths seems like a significant gap in the system. The practical suggestions about annual searches and staying loosely connected through mutual contacts are smart approaches. 4. **Professional guidance seems worth it** - Given the complexity and the potential financial impact (thousands per month in some cases), consulting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies seems like a wise investment. For the original poster, it sounds like you're in a really strong position with multiple good options. Thank you to everyone who shared their knowledge - this thread should be required reading for anyone who's divorced and approaching retirement age!

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Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who went through this process recently. One thing that really helped us was getting everything in writing from SSA about the living arrangement rules BEFORE my daughter moved in. We scheduled an in-person appointment at our local SSA office and brought a list of specific questions about ISM calculations, rental agreements, and reporting requirements. The caseworker was able to walk us through exactly how different scenarios would affect her benefits, and we got a written summary of what was discussed. This prevented any surprises later and gave us documentation if there were ever any disputes about what we were told. Also, regarding the tax situation - we consulted with a tax professional who specializes in disability benefits. It was worth the cost because the rules around SSI, dependency claims, and Head of Household status can be really complex when combined. They helped us understand exactly what documentation we'd need to keep for both SSA and IRS purposes. The whole process feels overwhelming at first, but having everything properly documented from the start makes it much smoother. Good luck with your daughter's transition to SSI!

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This is such great advice about getting everything in writing beforehand! I wish I had thought of that approach. My daughter's approval just came through and we're still figuring out next steps, so scheduling that in-person appointment sounds like the perfect way to avoid confusion later. Did you find that bringing specific scenarios/questions helped them give you more detailed answers? I'm definitely going to follow your example and consult with a tax professional too - the interaction between SSI rules and tax implications seems way too complex to navigate alone. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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As someone who's been helping families navigate SSI for over 10 years, I want to emphasize a few critical points that haven't been fully covered yet: 1. **Timing is everything** - You need to report the living arrangement change to SSA within 10 days of when your daughter moves in, or you risk overpayment issues like others mentioned. 2. **The "presumed maximum value" rule** - If SSA can't determine the exact value of the room and board you're providing, they'll automatically apply the full 1/3 reduction ($314 in 2025). This is why documentation is so crucial. 3. **Consider the "household goods and personal effects" exception** - Items like furniture, clothing, and personal care items that you provide don't count as ISM, so don't worry about documenting every small expense. 4. **State supplement programs** - Many states provide additional payments on top of federal SSI. These can have different rules about living arrangements, so check with your state agency too. The rental agreement approach others mentioned works, but make sure it covers ALL household expenses proportionally (utilities, internet, property taxes, maintenance) - not just rent. SSA looks at the total picture of what constitutes "fair share." Also, keep copies of EVERYTHING you submit to SSA. Their record-keeping isn't always perfect, and having your own documentation has saved many families from lengthy appeals processes.

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This is incredibly detailed and helpful - thank you! The 10-day reporting requirement is something I definitely wouldn't have known about. I'm curious about the state supplement programs you mentioned - do you know if all states offer these, or just certain ones? And when you say the rental agreement should cover ALL household expenses proportionally, does that mean we need to calculate things like property taxes and maintenance costs into the monthly rent amount? That seems like it could get pretty complex to figure out the exact proportional share. Also, do you have any recommendations for where to find templates or examples of comprehensive rental agreements that would satisfy SSA's requirements? I want to make sure we get this right from the start.

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I'm a newcomer to this community and was experiencing the exact same confusion! I've been seeing that notification banner about transitioning to login.gov or ID.me for months now, but I could still log in with my regular credentials just fine. I was getting really anxious thinking I had missed some critical deadline, especially since I rely on accessing my Social Security information regularly. This entire discussion has been incredibly enlightening and reassuring! Learning that SSA switched from a hard September deadline to a rolling transition approach makes so much more sense. The fact that we'll receive both email and mail notifications 30 days before our specific account transition really eliminates the fear of suddenly being locked out. I'm particularly grateful for the insights from those who've already completed the voluntary transition - knowing that you can keep both login methods active during the process and that the interface remains exactly the same once logged in really puts my mind at ease. The cybersecurity perspective about why this change actually enhances protection of our sensitive information also helps me understand it's a worthwhile security upgrade rather than just bureaucratic hassle. Based on all the positive experiences shared here, I think I'll join the weekend login.gov setup group that seems to be forming! It sounds like being proactive and doing it on my own timeline is much better than waiting for the mandatory notice and potentially dealing with any last-minute issues. Thank you to everyone who took the time to call SSA directly, go through the transition process, and share their real-world experiences here. This community discussion has been infinitely more helpful than trying to decipher the vague information on the official SSA website!

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Hi Riya! Welcome to the community! I'm also pretty new here and was in the exact same boat - seeing that notification banner but still able to use my regular login, and getting increasingly worried about missing some deadline. This thread has been such a relief! It's amazing how much more helpful real people's experiences are compared to trying to navigate the confusing SSA website. The rolling transition approach with 30-day advance notice really does make everything so much less stressful. I'm definitely planning to join the weekend login.gov setup group too - it sounds like we've got quite the community project going! Thanks for sharing your experience, it's so reassuring to know I wasn't the only one feeling anxious about this whole situation.

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I'm also new to this community and was dealing with the exact same confusion about the SSA login changes! Like so many others here, I've been seeing that notification banner for weeks but could still log in with my regular username and password, and I was starting to really stress about whether I'd missed some important deadline. This thread has been absolutely incredible - so much more informative than anything I could find on the official SSA website! Learning that they switched to a rolling transition approach instead of a hard September deadline really puts my mind at ease. The fact that we get 30 days advance notice via both email and mail before our specific account transition eliminates all my anxiety about suddenly being locked out. I'm really grateful for everyone who shared their real-world experiences, especially those who took the time to call SSA directly and get official confirmation. The insights from people who've already done the voluntary transition are so reassuring - knowing that you can keep both login methods active during the process and that the interface looks exactly the same once you're logged in makes this feel much more manageable. The cybersecurity perspective about why this change actually protects our accounts also helps me understand it's not just bureaucratic red tape but actually an important security upgrade. Based on all the positive feedback here, I think I'll join everyone else in setting up my login.gov account this weekend! It sounds like being proactive and doing it on my own timeline is much smarter than waiting for the mandatory notice. Thanks to this amazing community for turning what felt like a stressful situation into a clear, manageable task with actual helpful information!

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