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As someone who works in tax preparation, I wanted to add that you might want to look into whether you can elect to spread the back payments over multiple tax years using income averaging rules. Since you're receiving 12 years worth of payments at once, this could potentially lower your overall tax burden compared to taking it all as income in one year. IRS Publication 525 has information about this, but definitely worth discussing with a tax professional since the rules can be complex. Also, make sure you understand your state tax obligations too - some states have different rules for royalty income than federal taxes.

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This is really valuable information about income averaging! I had no idea that was even a possibility. Given that I'm receiving 12 years worth of back payments all at once, that could definitely make a big difference in my tax situation. I'll definitely look into IRS Publication 525 and will make sure to ask about this when I speak with a tax professional. I really appreciate everyone sharing their expertise - this whole situation went from terrifying to manageable thanks to all the helpful advice here!

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who went through a similar situation a few years ago! I inherited some mineral rights from my grandmother and was terrified about losing my SSDI too. Everyone here is absolutely right - SSDI is NOT affected by unearned income like oil royalties. The key thing that helped me was getting everything in writing from SSA when I reported it. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your oil payments are irregular (some months higher, some lower), it can make quarterly tax estimates tricky. I ended up overpaying some quarters and underpaying others. My tax preparer suggested using the "safe harbor" rule where you pay 100% of last year's tax liability (or 110% if your income was over $150k) divided into four quarterly payments. This prevents any underpayment penalties even if your actual tax owed is different. Also, don't forget that your state may have its own reporting requirements for mineral rights - mine required a separate form even though there was no additional tax owed. Good luck with everything!

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I'm really sorry you're going through this difficult situation. As someone who works in immigration law, I see identity discrepancy cases fairly regularly, and you're definitely not alone in this. A few additional points to consider: 1. **Timing**: There's generally no strict deadline for filing survivor benefits, but you can only receive retroactive payments for up to 6 months before your application date, so don't delay too long. 2. **Documentation strategy**: When you go in person, organize your documents chronologically - marriage certificate (1982), any documents showing his identity changes, divorce decree, death certificate. This helps the claims specialist follow the timeline. 3. **Earnings record**: The SSA will need to verify which Social Security number and identity was used for his work history. If he worked under the assumed identity for many years, that's likely the record they'll use for benefit calculations. 4. **Your protection**: Since you were legally married under the identity he used at that time, your marriage is valid regardless of his original name discrepancy. You had no way of knowing about the identity issue. Don't let anyone make you feel like you did something wrong. Focus on getting that in-person appointment - phone representatives often can't handle complex cases like this effectively. Bring a friend or family member for support if needed.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you so much! The point about organizing documents chronologically is brilliant - I hadn't thought about presenting it as a timeline. And you're absolutely right about the 6-month retroactive limit. I had no idea about that. I'm going to get all my paperwork together this weekend and call first thing Monday to schedule that appointment. Really appreciate you taking the time to explain all of this so clearly.

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I'm a benefits coordinator and wanted to add that when you do get your appointment scheduled, ask specifically to speak with a "technical expert" or "complex case specialist" rather than a general claims representative. This type of identity verification case requires someone with experience in these situations. Also, don't be surprised if they need to put a temporary hold on processing while they investigate the earnings record. This is standard procedure and doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. The investigation typically involves cross-referencing work history, tax records, and immigration documents to establish the correct identity for benefit purposes. One more thing - if his current widow files for benefits first, it won't affect your eligibility as an ex-spouse. Your claims are processed independently of each other, which is different from how current spouse benefits work.

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Thank you all for the helpful information. I didn't realize how complicated this would be! So if I understand correctly: 1. If we both claim at 62 and my husband passes away before his FRA (which is 67), I'd get the larger of either 82.5% of his PIA or what he was actually receiving at 62 2. If he passes after his FRA, I'd just get what he was actually receiving 3. My own claiming decision creates separate reductions if I'm not at my FRA when applying for survivor benefits Based on this, should we reconsider our plan? Maybe he should wait longer even if I claim early? I really appreciate all the guidance.

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You've got it right, and yes - a common strategy is for the higher earner to delay claiming even if the lower earner claims early. Each year your husband delays claiming past 62 increases his retirement benefit by about 7-8% per year until 70. This not only increases his lifetime benefits but also potentially increases your survivor benefits if he predeceases you. You might consider claiming at 62 as planned if you need the income, but have him wait as long as financially possible. This creates a higher survivor benefit "insurance policy" for you later. Run the numbers for your specific situation, but this approach often maximizes lifetime household benefits for couples with significant differences in earnings history.

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm in a similar situation but haven't made any decisions yet. One thing I'm wondering about - if AstroAce's husband delays claiming but she takes benefits at 62, what happens to her own retirement benefit when she eventually switches to survivor benefits? Does she lose her own benefit completely, or does SSA somehow combine them? Also, are there any tax implications to consider when switching from your own retirement benefit to survivor benefits? I know Social Security can be taxable depending on your total income, but I'm not sure if the type of benefit matters.

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Great questions! When you switch to survivor benefits, you don't "combine" them - SSA pays you the higher of the two benefits. So if AstroAce is getting her reduced retirement benefit at 62 and later becomes eligible for a higher survivor benefit, she'd receive the survivor benefit amount instead. Her own retirement benefit doesn't disappear, but she can't collect both simultaneously. As for taxes, survivor benefits are treated the same as retirement benefits for tax purposes - they're subject to the same income thresholds for taxation. The type of benefit (retirement vs survivor) doesn't matter, just your total income including the Social Security benefit. So switching from one to the other shouldn't change the tax treatment, but the different benefit amounts might put you in a different tax bracket depending on your other income sources.

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For what it's worth, I'd recommend calculating roughly what you'll owe before picking your withholding percentage. You can use the IRS worksheet in Publication 915 to estimate how much of your SS benefits will be taxable based on your total income. That way you're not over-withholding and giving the government an interest-free loan all year. I made that mistake my first year - had them withhold 22% when I only needed about 8% based on my actual tax situation.

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This is such good advice! I was leaning toward 12% just to be safe, but you're absolutely right - I should actually calculate what I'll need instead of just guessing. Publication 915 sounds like exactly what I need to figure this out properly. Thanks for the tip about not over-withholding too. I'd rather owe a little at tax time than give the IRS a free loan!

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Just wanted to add that if you're still having trouble finding the tax withholding option in your mySocialSecurity account, try logging out completely and logging back in. Sometimes the new features don't show up right away due to browser cache issues. Also, make sure you're looking under the "Benefits & Payment Details" section - that's where I found the tax withholding request option after my benefits started. The interface isn't super intuitive, but it's definitely there now for most people who are already receiving payments.

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Thanks for this tip! I just tried logging out and back in, and you're absolutely right - the tax withholding option appeared under "Benefits & Payment Details" that I swear wasn't there before. I was able to submit my request online in just a few minutes and got immediate confirmation. This is so much easier than mailing in the W-4V form! Really appreciate everyone's help on this thread.

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As someone who just went through this exact decision process last year, I wanted to share my experience. I was in a very similar situation - eligible for pension at 65, substantial 401k balance, and FRA of 67. After reading through all the great advice here, I ultimately decided to wait until my FRA to claim Social Security. Instead, I'm living off my pension ($1,800/month) plus strategic withdrawals from my 401k. Yes, it means dipping into my retirement accounts earlier, but the permanent 13.3% reduction in SS benefits for claiming at 65 just didn't make financial sense given my family's longevity. One thing that helped me make the decision: I calculated my "break-even" point. For me, if I live past age 78, waiting until FRA will have provided more total lifetime benefits despite getting payments for 2 fewer years. Given that both my parents lived well into their 80s, the math favored waiting. The peace of mind knowing I'll get my full Social Security benefit for life was worth the temporary inconvenience of managing retirement account withdrawals for those two years. Just another perspective to consider as you make this important decision!

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That's really valuable real-world insight, Yuki! Your break-even analysis approach is exactly the kind of methodical thinking I need to apply to my own situation. The fact that you calculated it out to age 78 and factored in family longevity really makes sense. I'm starting to lean more toward the "wait until FRA" strategy after reading everyone's input here. With my $475k in retirement accounts and $2,100 monthly pension, I should be able to make it work for those two years without claiming SS early. The permanent 13.3% reduction is starting to feel like too big a sacrifice when I run the numbers long-term. Thanks for sharing your personal experience - it's one thing to read about these concepts in theory, but hearing from someone who actually made the decision and can explain their reasoning is incredibly helpful!

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar boat but about 5 years out from making this decision. Reading through everyone's experiences and advice has been incredibly educational. One thing I'm curious about - for those of you who have pensions, did you have the option to take a lump sum instead of monthly payments? I'm wondering if there are any advantages to taking a lump sum and rolling it into an IRA versus taking the monthly pension payments when it comes to Social Security planning and tax management. Also, @Yuki Tanaka, your break-even analysis is brilliant. Did you use any specific tools or calculators to run those numbers, or did you work it out manually? I'd love to start doing similar projections for my own situation. Thanks to everyone for sharing so openly about their retirement planning strategies. This kind of real-world advice is so much more valuable than trying to decode the SSA website!

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