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One more important thing to note - when your husband passes away, you should not cash or deposit his final Social Security payment if it arrives after his death. That payment will need to be returned to SSA. They will then issue the correct payment based on the date of death. This is a common point of confusion that can lead to overpayment issues later.

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This is SO important!! My neighbor had to repay over $2000 because she deposited her husband's final check. The SSA does NOT mess around with overpayments and they WILL come after you for the money + interest!

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As someone who has worked with many families going through this transition, I want to emphasize a few key points that haven't been mentioned yet. First, make sure you keep detailed records of all communications with SSA - dates, names of representatives you spoke with, and case numbers. This becomes invaluable if there are any delays or discrepancies. Second, consider having multiple copies of the death certificate ready, as you'll need certified copies for various agencies and financial institutions beyond just SSA. Finally, if you have any direct deposit information that needs updating or if you want payments sent to a different account, bring that banking information with you when you apply for survivor benefits. The last thing you want to worry about during a difficult time is payment logistics. Planning these details now while you have the mental bandwidth will make the process much smoother later.

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This is incredibly helpful advice, especially about keeping detailed records! I never would have thought about needing multiple death certificates for different agencies. Your point about having banking information ready is also really smart - the last thing anyone wants during grief is to have payment delays because of missing paperwork. Thank you for sharing your professional experience with us. It's clear you've helped many families navigate this difficult process.

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This is excellent practical advice! I hadn't thought about keeping detailed records of SSA conversations, but that makes so much sense given how backed up their system seems to be right now. The point about multiple death certificates is especially helpful - I imagine you need them for banks, insurance, pensions, and who knows what else. One question: do you recommend calling ahead to find out exactly which documents SSA will need for the survivor benefits application, or is it pretty standardized? I want to make sure I have everything ready so I don't have to make multiple trips during what will already be a difficult time.

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UPDATE: I followed everyone's advice and used Claimyr to reach a Social Security rep yesterday. The rep confirmed we need to file the SSA-795 form requesting recalculation due to the WEP repeal. She said we should include: 1. A statement requesting recalculation due to WEP repeal 2. My husband's most recent OPERS benefit statement 3. A copy of his W-2s showing years of substantial earnings She estimated it would take 10-12 weeks for processing but said the backpay would include all months from January 2024. Based on our rough calculation, he should get around $8,550 in backpay plus an additional $475 monthly going forward. Thank you all for your help! I'll post another update once we get the adjustment.

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Glad Claimyr worked for you too! The wait times for SS are ridiculous right now. And thanks for sharing what documents you need - this will help others in the same situation. Hope your husband gets his backpay soon!

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As someone new to this community, I just want to say thank you all for sharing such detailed information! My mom is in a similar situation - she was a teacher for 30 years and has been getting reduced SS benefits due to WEP. We had no idea we needed to file paperwork to get the adjustment after the repeal. Reading through all your experiences has been incredibly helpful. We're going to try the Claimyr service to get through to Social Security and request the SSA-795 form. It's frustrating that SSA isn't being more proactive about notifying people, but at least now we know what steps to take. Will definitely follow up once we hear back from them!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Evan. The RIB LIM rule is incredibly confusing and you're absolutely right that the SSA website doesn't explain it well at all. From everything I've read and experienced, you should actually receive MORE than the $2200 your husband was getting. Since he claimed at 62, he was likely receiving about 75% of his Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), but the RIB LIM rule ensures you get at least 82.5% of his PIA - which should be higher than what he was actually receiving. When you call SSA, definitely ask them to calculate both amounts for you: the $2200 he was getting versus 82.5% of his PIA, and confirm you'll receive whichever is higher. Also, since you're waiting until your FRA at 66 and 6 months, you won't face any early claiming reductions on the survivor benefit. One tip - if you're having trouble getting through to SSA (which unfortunately is common), try calling right when they open at 8:00 AM your local time. The wait times are usually shortest then. Make sure to have your questions written down beforehand because it's easy to forget important details during such emotional conversations. You're making smart decisions by waiting and asking the right questions!

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Thank you Elijah, and thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. As someone new to dealing with Social Security and grieving the loss of my spouse, I can't express how helpful all of these explanations have been. The RIB LIM rule was completely foreign to me until reading through everyone's responses, and now I feel like I actually understand what to expect and what questions to ask. It's such a relief to learn that I should receive more than the $2200 my husband was getting - I was so worried I'd be penalized somehow for his decision to claim early. Your tip about calling right at 8 AM is really practical advice, and I'll definitely have my questions written down beforehand. This community has turned what felt like an impossible maze of bureaucracy into something manageable. I'm grateful for all the support during this difficult time.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Evan. The RIB LIM rule is one of Social Security's most confusing provisions, and you're definitely not alone in struggling to understand it. From what everyone has explained here, it sounds like you're actually in a better position than you initially feared. Since your husband claimed at 62 and was receiving about $2200 (which was roughly 75% of his Primary Insurance Amount due to the early filing reduction), you should receive the higher of either that $2200 OR 82.5% of his PIA under the RIB LIM rule. Given the math, that 82.5% figure should result in a higher monthly payment for you. When you call SSA, I'd suggest asking them to walk you through both calculations clearly - have them tell you what your husband's PIA was, what 82.5% of that amount equals, and confirm that you'll receive whichever figure is higher. Also ask how this might coordinate with your own retirement benefit if you haven't claimed that yet. The good news is that by waiting until your full retirement age of 66 and 6 months, you're avoiding any early claiming reductions on your survivor benefit. I know navigating these complex rules while grieving is overwhelming, but you're asking exactly the right questions. This community has given you excellent guidance on what to ask SSA. Wishing you strength as you work through this process.

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Thank you Cole, and thank you to everyone who has shared their knowledge and experiences in this thread. As someone completely new to understanding Social Security survivor benefits, I feel so much more informed and prepared now. The RIB LIM rule was a complete mystery to me when I started this post, but the clear explanations from this community have helped me understand that I should actually receive more than the $2200 my husband was getting due to that 82.5% floor provision. I'm going to call SSA tomorrow morning right at 8 AM with my list of questions ready, and I feel confident now about what to ask for - his PIA amount, the 82.5% calculation, and confirmation that I'll get the higher figure. It's such a relief to know that waiting until my FRA was the right decision and that I won't be penalized for my husband's early claiming choice. This thread has been a lifeline during an incredibly difficult time, and I'm so grateful for everyone's patience in explaining these complex rules to a newcomer.

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Thank you all so much for the helpful advice! I'm feeling a lot less overwhelmed now. I'm going to try that Claimyr service to speak with someone at SSA directly about both SSI and the DAC benefits (which I had no idea about!). I've already started gathering his medical records, and I'll look into the Special Needs Trust and guardianship options too. One last question - several of you mentioned appealing if we get denied initially. Is there a specific timeline for appeals? And would it be worth hiring a disability attorney right from the start, or should we try navigating the initial application ourselves?

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You have 60 days from the date on the denial notice to file an appeal. For the initial application, I'd recommend trying it yourself, especially if you can get good guidance from an SSA representative. Disability attorneys typically don't get involved until the reconsideration or hearing level of appeals, and they usually work on contingency (taking a percentage of any back pay, capped at $6,000). If you do get denied, then definitely consider an attorney for the appeal process. Best of luck with everything!

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I work as a disability advocate and want to emphasize a few additional points that might help your brother's case: First, when documenting his functional limitations, focus on specific examples of how his disability affects his ability to work. For instance, "needs supervision to complete tasks," "cannot handle money management," or "requires prompts for basic hygiene." The SSA evaluates work capacity, so concrete examples are crucial. Second, consider requesting consultative examinations through SSA if his recent medical records are limited. They'll arrange evaluations with their approved providers, which can strengthen the case with current assessments. Third, keep a detailed diary of his daily care needs starting now. Document what assistance he requires, when, and for how long. This becomes valuable evidence if you need to appeal. Finally, since your parents are aging, also explore your state's developmental disabilities services waiver programs. These can provide additional support services and sometimes help with housing transitions when family caregivers are no longer able to provide care. The process is definitely challenging, but with thorough documentation and persistence, many people in similar situations do get approved. Don't get discouraged if there are initial setbacks - it's unfortunately common in the system.

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I especially appreciate the suggestion about keeping a daily care diary - that's something concrete I can start doing right now. The consultative examinations are also something I hadn't heard of before. If we request those through SSA, do we need to wait until after filing the initial application, or can we ask for them during the application process? And regarding the state developmental disabilities waiver programs - would those potentially conflict with SSI benefits or can he receive both types of assistance simultaneously?

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This is such a valuable discussion! I'm in a similar boat - divorced after 26 years, and I'm older than my ex-husband. What really stands out to me from everyone's experiences is how important it is to be prepared with ALL your documents and to be persistent with SSA. It sounds like the key points are crystal clear: 10+ year marriage (check for all of us), currently unmarried, you're 62+, and your ex is entitled to benefits even if he hasn't filed. The fact that multiple people here successfully filed at their FRA without waiting for their younger ex-spouses gives me so much confidence. I'm definitely going to try that early morning calling strategy and ask specifically about the "restricted application" approach. It's frustrating that we have to become experts on these rules ourselves, but this community support makes all the difference. Thank you everyone for sharing your real experiences!

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Absolutely agree, Luca! This thread has been a goldmine of real-world experience that you just can't find in the official SSA materials. I'm in a very similar situation (divorced after 24 years, also older than my ex) and was getting so stressed about the timing. What's really reassuring is seeing multiple people confirm the same key points from their actual experiences, not just theoretical knowledge. The persistence factor you mentioned is so important - it sounds like we might need to push back if we get incorrect information from SSA reps initially. I'm definitely taking notes on all the document prep advice and the early morning calling strategy. It's amazing how this community has provided clearer guidance than hours of trying to navigate the SSA website! Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - it's making what felt like an impossible situation seem much more manageable.

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This thread has been absolutely incredible! I'm a newcomer here but found this discussion while researching my own situation. I'm 64 and divorced after 22 years of marriage, with my ex being 3 years younger. I've been so confused about the timing requirements, but reading everyone's real experiences has cleared up so much uncertainty. The consistent message that you can file at YOUR FRA regardless of your ex's age or filing status is exactly what I needed to hear. I'm particularly grateful for the practical tips about document preparation, early morning calls to SSA, and asking specifically about "restricted applications." It's reassuring to see a community where people share actual experiences rather than just speculation. I'm feeling much more confident about moving forward with my application when I reach my FRA next year. Thank you to everyone who took the time to share their stories - this kind of peer support is invaluable when navigating such a complex system!

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Welcome to the community, Finley! I'm also relatively new here but have been following this discussion closely as someone in a very similar situation. It's amazing how much clearer everything becomes when you hear from people who have actually navigated this process successfully. The consistency in everyone's experiences really gives me confidence that the main rule is solid - we can file at our FRA regardless of our ex-spouse's timing. I'm especially appreciating all the practical tips about preparation and persistence with SSA. It sounds like having all documents ready and being prepared to educate the SSA reps if needed is key. Looking forward to hearing about your experience when you go through the process next year!

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