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Does anyone know if there's a minimum number of hours you need to work to keep getting the stipends? My agency requires at least 36 hours per week to qualify for the tax-free stuff.

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CosmicCrusader

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My agency requires at least 30 hours per week to qualify for full stipends. I was planning to drop to exactly that - 30 hours/week - which would put my taxable wages right around $21,000 (under the limit) while still getting about $28,000 in stipends. Seems like the perfect sweet spot.

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Chloe Robinson

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One last thing to be aware of - if you go over the earnings limit, it's not a cliff where you lose all benefits. For every $2 you earn above the 2025 limit of $22,320, SSA will withhold $1 from your benefits. So even if you accidentally exceed the limit somewhat, you won't lose everything. Also, in the year you reach Full Retirement Age (FRA), the limit is much higher and the penalty is lower (only $1 withheld for every $3 over the limit). And once you hit your FRA, there's no earnings limit at all.

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CosmicCrusader

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Thanks for explaining that! That makes me feel better about trying this approach. I'm going to apply for my retirement benefits next month and aim to keep my taxable wages under the limit. With the nursing shortage, I should have plenty of flexibility to pick assignments that will work with my new arrangement.

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Cynthia Love

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Quick update: My first payment arrived today as scheduled! Exactly the amount they promised. I'm so relieved this whole process went smoothly. The SSA website said to expect my Medicare premium to be deducted starting with my second payment - is that right?

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Yes thats normal, but DOUBLE CHECK that amount!!! They overcharged me for 3 months before I caught it and then took ANOTHER 2 months to fix it!!! Classic government efficiency at work 🙄

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I wonder if applying right after FRA makes a difference in processing time versus exactly at FRA? I'm turning 67 in August (my FRA is 67) and debating whether to apply 3 months early as recommended or wait until my birthday month. Anyone have experiences with this timing question?

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Darren Brooks

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Applying 3 months before your FRA month is ideal. This gives SSA time to process everything without causing a gap in payments. Your benefits won't start until your FRA anyway, but having the application already approved means your first payment will arrive on schedule. If you wait until your birthday month to apply, you might experience a 1-2 month delay in receiving your first payment, though it will be retroactive to your eligibility date.

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Josef Tearle

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I wanted to add one more point: keep in mind that survivor benefits can be affected by your earnings if you're still working. In 2025, if you earn more than $22,750 while collecting benefits before your FRA, SSA will deduct $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit. The earnings test no longer applies once you reach your full retirement age.

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That's important to know. I was planning to do some part-time consulting work that might put me over that limit. Maybe I need to reconsider my whole plan and just wait until 67 to claim anything. This is way more complicated than I thought it would be.

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PaulineW

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One thing I wanted to mention - when I was applying for survivor benefits, my friend gave me a tip to specifically request an appointment with a claims specialist who handles survivor benefits. Not all reps are equally knowledgeable about all benefit types. It made a huge difference in my case because the specialist caught something that would have reduced my benefit that the previous person I spoke with missed completely.

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Sofia Rodriguez

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To follow up on your question about the monthly earnings test: Yes, you're understanding correctly. In your first year of retirement, SSA can apply the monthly test. How it works: For any month you earn under $1,920 (the 2025 monthly limit) AND don't perform substantial services in self-employment, you'll receive your full benefit regardless of your annual total. So if you retire March 31st: - January-March: You'd lose benefits for months you earned over $1,920 - April-December: You'd receive full benefits as long as those special wage payments (bonus/vacation) are properly documented as not counting for those months This is why the SSA-131 is crucial - it ensures those special payments aren't incorrectly counted as monthly earnings after you've stopped working. Regarding Medicare premiums: Your award letter should have explained the multiple deductions, but many don't notice this detail. The first check typically includes catch-up premiums for any months you were Medicare-eligible before benefits began.

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Amara Okonkwo

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Thank you so much for this detailed explanation. I actually went back and re-read the award letter more carefully, and there IS a small paragraph mentioning the Medicare premium catch-up, but it's buried in the text. I'll get the SSA-131 form taken care of right away. Really appreciate everyone's help!

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NightOwl42

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The whole earnings limit thing is just another way the government punishes people who want to work. Why should they penalize you for getting a bonus you EARNED? The system is completely broken. And don't get me started on how they handle Medicare premiums...

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Giovanni Marino

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The earnings limit isn't actually a penalty - it's a deferral. Any benefits withheld due to excess earnings before FRA are added back into your monthly payment when you reach your Full Retirement Age, resulting in a permanent increase. Many people don't realize this aspect of the earnings test.

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Aisha Rahman

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i know this is off topic but does anyone know if the spouse benefit is affected if the disabled person is getting a pension from a job that didnt pay into social security?? my husband gets a firefighter pension and i'm worried about WEP or GPO or whatever its called

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Ethan Wilson

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Yes, that's a different situation involving the Government Pension Offset (GPO). If you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security, your spousal or survivor benefits could be reduced by two-thirds of your government pension. This is different from the original poster's situation. You should definitely schedule an appointment with SSA to discuss your specific case, as GPO calculations can be complex.

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QuantumQueen

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Thank you all for the helpful advice! I think we're going to start with the online application but make sure to explicitly mention the spousal benefits in the remarks section. Then we'll follow up with a phone call to confirm everything is being processed correctly. If we run into trouble getting through on the phone, I might try that Claimyr service that someone mentioned. It's reassuring to hear from people who've been through similar situations. I'll update this thread once we get everything sorted out in case it helps someone else down the road. I really appreciate all your insights!

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Ayla Kumar

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Let me address a few key points about your situation: 1. For couples with separate finances, the standard "one delays, one claims early" advice often doesn't apply. 2. With your savings level ($390,000), you can easily afford to delay claiming. 3. The 8% per year increase (actually about 8.33% per year after FRA) is a guaranteed return that's hard to beat elsewhere. 4. Women typically live longer than men, meaning you have a higher statistical likelihood of benefiting from maximized benefits. 5. If you're both in excellent health with family longevity, delaying is generally the mathematically optimal choice. One thing to consider: the optimal strategy also depends on tax implications. Since you're drawing from retirement accounts during the delay period, check how this affects your tax bracket compared to taking SS now and smaller 401(k) distributions later.

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Mary Bates

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Thank you for mentioning taxes! I hadn't thought about the tax angle. My plan was to draw from my non-retirement savings first, then tap the 401k if needed. I'll need to look carefully at how that might affect my tax situation now versus later. Do you know if there are any good tax calculators specifically for Social Security claiming decisions?

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Just want to say its so refreshing to see someone who has almost $400K saved!!! So many posts here are ppl who have nothing saved and are trying to live on just SS. Good for you for being responsible!

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Maya Diaz

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Has anyone used the new SSDI online application?? I heard they made it easier to apply online instead of calling but not sure if that's true???

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Yes, the online application for SSDI is available and was improved in 2023. It's at ssa.gov/benefits/disability/ and is definitely easier than calling. However, for disability claims specifically, you'll still likely need to have phone or in-person interviews during the process, especially if your case goes to reconsideration or hearing stages. The online application is just the starting point.

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Tony Brooks

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Thank you all for the helpful information! I'm going to start gathering my medical records and look into disability attorneys in my area. I'm still nervous about the application process and potential wait time, but at least now I know that IF I get approved, I'll receive my full benefit amount without reduction. That's a huge relief. I'll also check out that Claimyr service when I need to call SSA - sounds much better than sitting on hold all day with my painful joints! I'll update this thread once I get started with the process in case it helps others with similar conditions.

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Mateo Silva

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One more important thing to understand: if some of your benefits are withheld because you exceed the earnings limit in 2025, they're not permanently lost. Once you reach FRA in January 2026, the SSA will recalculate your benefit amount to credit you for the months when benefits were withheld. This results in a permanent increase to your monthly benefit amount going forward. Many people don't realize this - exceeding the earnings limit isn't completely punitive. You eventually get the money back through higher monthly payments for the rest of your life.

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Hannah White

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wait really?? so if they take away some of your benefits they give it back later?? i never knew that! my dad always said if you earn too much they just take your ss money and you never see it again

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Thank you all for such helpful information! I think I now understand my options much better. I'm going to: 1. Work my normal schedule January-June 2025 2. Start my SS benefits in July 2025 as planned 3. Carefully track my earnings to stay under approximately $2,000/month from July-December 4. Make sure any December work that gets paid in January is properly accounted for And most importantly, I'll try to get an official confirmation from SSA directly before finalizing my plans. It's frustrating how complicated they make these rules, especially for those of us who miss the calendar year cutoff by just a few weeks!

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Sofia Torres

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my head hurts trying 2 understand all this lol

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QuantumQuasar

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I know, right? Social Security rules can be so confusing! It took me months of research to figure out our strategy. The most important thing is to understand that your spouse claiming early doesn't reduce YOUR spousal benefit as long as you wait until your own Full Retirement Age to claim.

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Miguel Ramos

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To summarize the accurate information in this thread: 1. When you claim spousal benefits at your Full Retirement Age, you'll receive 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is the benefit he would receive at his FRA regardless of when he actually claimed. 2. Your husband's decision to claim early at 62 reduces HIS benefit by approximately 30%, but it does NOT affect the calculation of YOUR spousal benefit (as long as you wait until your FRA). 3. If YOU claim spousal benefits before YOUR FRA, then YOUR spousal benefit would be permanently reduced. 4. You'll receive either your own retirement benefit or your spousal benefit, whichever is higher - not both. 5. Your own retirement benefit can increase with delayed retirement credits if you wait past FRA, but spousal benefits do not increase after FRA. This is a perfect example of why personalized planning is so important with Social Security - the rules can be complex but understanding them can significantly impact your lifetime benefits.

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Thank you so much for this clear summary! It really helps to see all the key points laid out like this. Based on everyone's helpful responses, I'm feeling much more confident about our plan. I'll wait until my FRA to claim the spousal benefit since it will be higher than my own benefit.

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CosmicCruiser

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One thing nobody mentioned - be prepared for sticker shock when you see how the spousal benefit actually calculates. I was expecting to get 50% of my husband's benefit on top of my own, but that's NOT how it works. You only get the DIFFERENCE between your benefit and 50% of his, and then that difference is reduced because you took early retirement. So if you're getting $1400 and his full benefit would be $3000, you don't get $1500 more. You might only get a couple hundred dollars additional. The SSA does a terrible job explaining this.

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Aisha Khan

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This is an excellent point. The spousal benefit calculation is often misunderstood. If your own retirement benefit is $1,400 and your husband's PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) is $3,000, the maximum spousal benefit would be $1,500 (50% of his PIA). Since your own benefit is $1,400, you'd receive your own benefit plus the $100 difference. But since you filed early at 62, that $100 difference would be reduced further based on your age when you filed.

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Mateo Hernandez

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Thanks for the reality check! I definitely had misunderstood how the calculation works. I thought I might get a bigger bump, but even a small increase would help us. At least I'm going into this with more realistic expectations now.

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QuantumQuasar

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Just wanted to add that sometimes the SSA makes mistakes in these calculations. My aunt applied for spousal benefits last year and they initially calculated it wrong. She had to appeal and it took 4 months to fix. Make sure you understand how they calculate your amount and check their math!

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Mateo Hernandez

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That's concerning! I'm going to write down all the details of our situation and try to calculate it myself before applying. Did your aunt eventually get backpay for the months they calculated incorrectly?

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QuantumQuasar

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Yes, she did get the backpay eventually, but it was so stressful for her. Definitely do your own calculation first!

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