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my neighbor said she filed early for ss and then withdrew her application when she found out about the reduction. I think u have like a year to change ur mind? might be worth looking into

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This is correct - you have 12 months from when you start receiving benefits to withdraw your application. However, you must repay ALL benefits received so far. It's essentially a reset button. After the 12-month window closes, this option is no longer available.

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I'm SHOCKED no one has mentioned the break-even calculation yet!! For a $19 reduction, you'd need to calculate how many months it would take for the extra money from claiming early to equal the reduced amount over time. It's usually around 12-15 years for people claiming a year early, so for one month early it might be longer. But you NEED to calculate this based on your specific situation!

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Good point about the break-even analysis. For a one-month early claim, if we assume a $1,500 monthly benefit (just as an example), the break-even point would be quite far out - approximately 79 months or 6.5 years. That's because you'd get an extra month of benefits ($1,481) upfront, but then lose $19 every month thereafter. $1,481 ÷ $19 = 78.9 months to break even. Of course, this doesn't account for the time value of money or potential investment returns.

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so sorry for ur loss

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Thank you. It's been many years now, but I appreciate your kindness.

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Just wanted to add that you should also check if you qualify for any divorced spouse benefits if you were married to anyone else for 10+ years. Sometimes people overlook this option when planning their claiming strategy. Also, since you mentioned you never remarried, that's good for your survivor benefit eligibility - remarrying before age 60 would have affected your ability to claim survivor benefits. One tip from my own experience: when you do go to apply, consider going to your local SSA office rather than trying to do it over the phone. The in-person reps seem to have a better understanding of these more complex claiming strategies, and you can make sure all the paperwork is correct before you leave.

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As someone who just went through this process last year, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help: 1) Keep detailed records of ALL your income sources throughout the year - wages, self-employment, and yes, even those royalty payments. Even though the royalties shouldn't count against your limit, having documentation will save you headaches if SSA ever questions anything. 2) If you do decide to take that hardware store job, ask your employer upfront about flexible scheduling. Since you're close to the $22,320 limit, you'll want to track your earnings carefully as you approach it. 3) One thing that caught me off guard - if you have any unused vacation pay or severance from a previous job that gets paid out after you start collecting benefits, that DOES count toward your earnings limit for the year it's paid, even if you earned it before retiring. 4) The "first year rule" mentioned earlier is really important for your situation since you just started benefits in January. In your first year of retirement, you can use a monthly test ($1,860/month for 2025) instead of the annual test, but only for months after you retire. This can be helpful if you had high earnings early in the year before starting benefits. Good luck with everything! The SSA phone wait times are absolutely brutal, so definitely consider that Claimyr service or try visiting your local office if you need to speak with someone directly.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I had no idea about the unused vacation pay rule - that could have really caught me off guard since I do have some accrued vacation time from my old job that they're supposed to pay out in a few months. The first year rule sounds like it might be exactly what I need to understand better. Since I started benefits in January 2025, does that mean for the rest of 2025 I can use the monthly $1,860 test instead of worrying about the annual $22,320 limit? That would make the summer hardware store job much more manageable to plan around. I'm definitely going to start keeping better records of everything. Do you know if there's a specific form or way SSA prefers you to track and report earnings throughout the year, or is it just important to have the documentation ready if they ask?

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As a newcomer here, I'm really grateful for all this detailed information! I'm 61 and planning to file for early retirement benefits next year, so this thread is incredibly timely for me. I have a question that's somewhat related - I currently do freelance graphic design work and have been trying to figure out how that would be treated under the earnings limit. It sounds like since it's active self-employment income (not passive royalties like the OP's situation), it would definitely count toward the limit. But I'm wondering about timing - if I invoice a client in December 2025 but don't get paid until January 2026, which year does that income count toward for the earnings test? Also, does anyone know if there are any special considerations for people who are self-employed when it comes to reporting earnings to SSA throughout the year? I assume it's more complicated than just showing them a W-2 at the end of the year. The complexity of all these rules is pretty overwhelming, but this community seems to really know their stuff! Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge.

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One more important thing to know: If you're approved for disabled widow's benefits, you'll be automatically enrolled in Medicare after 24 months on benefits, regardless of your age. This is a significant benefit that can help with your healthcare costs. Also, when you reach your full retirement age (probably 67 in your case), your benefit will automatically convert to a regular widow's benefit, which will be 100% of your husband's PIA instead of the 71.5% you receive as a disabled widow. This increase happens automatically.

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That's excellent news about the Medicare and the automatic increase at retirement age! No one at SSA mentioned that to me. This forum has been incredibly helpful - I feel much more prepared now.

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Just wanted to add some practical advice from my experience helping my sister with her disabled widow's benefits application. Make sure you gather ALL your employment records too, not just medical records. SSA needs to verify when you stopped working consistently to establish your disability onset date. Also, if you have any doctors who treated you back in 2014-2015, try to contact them directly for records - sometimes medical facilities purge older records after 7-10 years. One more tip: keep detailed notes of every phone call and visit with SSA, including names and dates. This helped us tremendously when we had to follow up on her application status. Best of luck with your application, Carmen!

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This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about employment records being important for establishing the onset date. I actually kept some old W-2s and pay stubs from when I was trying to work part-time in 2014-2016 before I had to stop completely. Would those help show the progression of my inability to work? Also, great point about keeping notes - I'm definitely going to start a detailed log of all my interactions with SSA moving forward. Thank you for the practical tips!

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my cousin told me the SSA website has a calculator for this stuff but i couldn't find it lol

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Your cousin is right! There is an earnings test calculator on the SSA website. Here's how to find it: 1. Go to ssa.gov 2. Search for "How Work Affects Your Benefits" 3. Look for the "Retirement Earnings Test Calculator" link It lets you enter your expected earnings and age to see if you'll be affected by the earnings limit.

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I'm in a similar situation and found this thread really helpful! One thing I wanted to add - when you do contact SSA to confirm your earnings situation, make sure to ask them about how they'll handle your September benefit start date. Since you're retiring in September but your FRA isn't until December, they might need to adjust your first few benefit payments to account for the fact that you're technically still in your "FRA year" until December. Also, regarding the severance package - that usually doesn't count as "earnings" for the Social Security earnings test since it's not compensation for current work. But definitely confirm this when you speak with them, especially if any part of the severance is structured as consulting payments or continuation of salary. The peace of mind from getting official confirmation is totally worth the effort to reach them!

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Great point about the severance! I hadn't even thought about how different types of severance payments might be treated differently by SSA. My company mentioned the package includes both a lump sum and some continued health benefits, so I'll definitely need to ask about all the details when I contact them. Thanks for mentioning the September benefit start date timing too - I want to make sure they calculate everything correctly from the beginning rather than having to sort out overpayments or underpayments later.

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