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Will Social Security earnings limit affect my 12-year-old daughter's benefits if I file at 65?

I'm turning 65 next month but plan to continue working full-time ($92,000/year). I'm a widower with a 12-year-old daughter who would qualify for benefits when I file for retirement. I understand that since I'm under FRA and earning way above the annual limit ($21,240 for 2025?), my own benefits would be reduced or eliminated until I reach my full retirement age. But I'm confused about what happens to my daughter's benefits. Will her auxiliary benefits also get reduced because of MY earnings? Or does the earnings test only apply to my benefits while hers would be paid in full? This would make a huge difference in my decision to file now or wait. Thanks for any clarity on this confusing situation!

Yes, unfortunately, your child's benefits will also be affected by your earnings. The earnings test applies to ALL benefits paid on your record, not just your own. So if your earnings cause a 100% reduction of your benefit, your daughter's benefit will be reduced by 100% as well. This is one of those situations where it might make sense to wait until your FRA (probably 66+) when the earnings test no longer applies.

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That's disappointing but thanks for confirming. So there's no way for her to receive benefits while I'm still working above the limit? Even though I'm already 65?

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Just adding to the previous comment - it's not just about whether to get benefits now vs later. Remember that your daughter's benefit is calculated as 50% of what YOUR benefit would be, and your benefit grows every month you delay filing (up until age 70). So even if the earnings test wasn't an issue, there might still be an advantage to waiting. Have you calculated what her monthly amount would be if you filed now vs. at your FRA?

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I hadn't thought about the growth aspect. My PIA right now would be around $3,100 so she'd get about $1,550. But you're saying that would increase if I wait? I was just thinking about getting her something now vs nothing, but maybe waiting makes more mathematical sense.

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my neighbor had similar situaton with his kid and the SSA took back all the money the kid got because he was working too much!! be careful they will want it ALL back if you mess up

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Yikes - that's exactly what I want to avoid. Did your neighbor have to pay back benefits his child had already received?

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I went through this EXACT situation last year. My son's benefits were completely wiped out because of my earnings. Huge disappointment when I realized I had filed for nothing. And yes, there's no partial reduction - if your benefits get completely offset by earnings, so do your dependent's benefits. Stupid system if you ask me.

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Thats not completely true though. The deductions are proportional. So if the worker's benefit is reduced by 50% due to earnings, any auxiliary benefits would also be reduced by 50%. Its not automatically all or nothing for everyone. It depends on how much over the limit you earn.

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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're a widower, have you looked into filing for survivor benefits on your late spouse's record? The rules work differently for those. Your daughter might already be eligible for survivor benefits on your late spouse's record regardless of your earnings or whether you've filed for retirement. Those benefits wouldn't be affected by your earnings test.

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She's actually my adopted daughter from my second marriage (my current wife passed 3 years ago). My first wife and I divorced long before retirement age, so I don't think survivor benefits apply in our situation.

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Have you tried calling SS directly to ask? I spent 3 WEEKS trying to get through to someone about my application last month. It was absolutely infuriating!!! I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an agent within 20 minutes after weeks of trying on my own. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU - totally worth it to get definitive answers about your specific situation. The SSA agent I spoke with was really helpful once I actually got through.

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I haven't tried calling yet, but that's good to know! I'll check out that service if I can't get through. Right now I'm just trying to understand the basic rules before I make any decisions.

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Another consideration is that child's benefits stop at age 18 (or 19 if still in high school). So you're really only looking at a 6-7 year window for these benefits. If you wait until your FRA to file, your daughter will be around 13-14, still giving her 4-5 years of benefits without the earnings test reducing them. And those benefits will be higher since your PIA will have increased.

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That's a good point about the limited window. Honestly, I was thinking about using those benefits to build her college fund, but maybe there are better ways to do that than filing early and having everything reduced.

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i thought kids benefits go til there 16?? my cousins kid stopped getting them at 16 i think

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Child's benefits continue until age 18, or 19 if they're still in high school. If benefits stopped at 16, there might have been some other factor involved, or perhaps they were receiving a different type of benefit with different rules.

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The ENTIRE social security system is rigged against working people!!! I'm in the same boat - still working at 67 and they penalize you for being productive! Why should your child suffer because you choose to WORK for a living instead of retiring early?? The whole earnings test should be abolished. It's a tax on productivity and hurts families who are trying to support young children.

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The earnings test isn't actually a penalty in the long run. Any benefits withheld due to the earnings test result in a recalculation and increase in your monthly benefit once you reach FRA. It's more like a forced deferral than a penalty. But I agree it can create hardships for families with young children who could use those benefits now.

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have u thought about reducing ur hours just enough to get under the limit? might be worth it depending on how much ur kid would get

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That's an interesting suggestion - I hadn't considered that. I'd have to run the numbers, but reducing to part-time would be a big lifestyle change. I'm not sure my employer would be open to it either, but worth exploring. Thanks!

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One thing to keep in mind is that the earnings test applies monthly, not just annually. So if you're planning to retire completely at some point during the year (even if you turn 65), you could potentially receive benefits for the months after you stop working, even if your total annual earnings exceed the limit. The SSA uses a monthly test of $1,770 (for 2025) in addition to the annual limit. This might give you some flexibility in timing if you're considering full retirement in the next year or two. Also, make sure you understand exactly when your FRA is - for someone turning 65 in 2025, your FRA is likely 66 and some months, not 66 exactly.

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