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I'm new here but this is such helpful information! I'm turning 62 next month and was considering taking early retirement benefits while continuing to work part-time. Reading through all these responses really clarifies that my Social Security payments won't count against the earnings limit - only my work income will. I had been worried I'd have to choose between working and getting benefits, but now I see I can do both as long as I stay under the $22,300 gross earnings limit. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences!

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Welcome to the community! You're absolutely right that you can do both - work part-time and receive Social Security benefits. Just keep track of your gross earnings throughout the year to make sure you stay under that $22,300 limit. One tip I learned from reading through these discussions is to maybe keep a running total of your paychecks so you don't accidentally go over. Good luck with your retirement planning!

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Great question and congratulations on getting approved! Just to reinforce what others have said - your Social Security benefits absolutely do NOT count toward the $22,300 earnings limit. Only earned income from employment counts (wages, self-employment income, etc.). One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned much is to keep good records of your earnings throughout the year. I recommend setting up a simple spreadsheet or even just writing down your gross pay from each paycheck so you can track where you stand relative to that $22,300 limit. It's easy to lose track, especially if your hours vary from week to week in part-time work. Also, remember that the limit is based on the calendar year, not when you start receiving benefits. So even though you're starting benefits in November, the $22,300 limit applies to your total earnings for all of 2025. Best of luck with your part-time work and enjoy those Social Security checks!

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This is really excellent advice, especially about keeping track of your earnings! I'm also new to this whole Social Security thing and hadn't thought about setting up a tracking system. A spreadsheet sounds like a great idea. Since I'll be working part-time with potentially varying hours, it would be really easy to accidentally go over that limit without realizing it. Thanks for mentioning that the limit is for the whole calendar year too - I was wondering about that timing piece. It's so helpful to have experienced people like you sharing practical tips!

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Thanks everyone for all the great information! Much clearer now that it's $1 withheld for every $2 earned over the limit. I'm going to call SSA to discuss my specific situation and make sure I understand how this will affect my monthly payments. Definitely don't want any surprises next year. Really appreciate all the helpful responses!

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One thing to keep in mind is that the earnings test only counts wages and self-employment income - not pensions, 401k withdrawals, investment income, or rental income. So if you have other sources of income besides your part-time job, those won't count toward the $23,400 limit. Also, when you do reach your Full Retirement Age at 67, not only does the earnings limit disappear completely, but SSA will recalculate your benefit to account for all those months where benefits were withheld due to excess earnings. It's like getting credit back for the time you "lost" benefits, which partially makes up for what was withheld earlier.

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This is such helpful clarification! I was worried about my pension from my previous employer counting toward the limit, so it's great to know only work income matters. The fact that we get credit back at FRA makes taking benefits early much less scary. Thanks for breaking this down so clearly!

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Just wanted to add something important that I learned when helping my neighbor with this - make sure your father-in-law gets a copy of his Social Security Statement before applying! You can access it online at ssa.gov/myaccount or request a paper copy. This will show his complete work history and estimated benefits, which helps verify everything is correct before he applies. Also, since he's been working for 9 years, he's probably very close to earning those 40 credits needed. You typically earn 4 credits per year if you make at least the minimum amount (around $6,500 in 2024), so he likely already qualifies or will very soon. One more tip: if he decides to delay retirement past his Full Retirement Age, his benefits will actually increase by about 8% per year until age 70. This could be worth considering if he's in good health and can continue working!

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This is excellent advice about checking the Social Security Statement first! I didn't know you could access it online - that seems much easier than waiting for a paper copy. The point about earning 4 credits per year is really helpful too. If he's been working steadily, he's probably already qualified or very close to it. Thank you for sharing these practical tips!

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As someone who works in immigration law, I can confirm everything mentioned here is accurate! Green card holders absolutely qualify for Social Security retirement benefits under the same rules as citizens - 40 credits (roughly 10 years of work). One additional consideration for your father-in-law: since he's been working for 9 years, I'd recommend he check his Social Security earnings record now to make sure all his wages have been properly credited. Sometimes there are discrepancies that need to be corrected, and it's much easier to fix these issues while he's still working. Also, regarding the international travel concerns mentioned earlier - if your father-in-law is from a country that has a totalization agreement with the US, he may be able to combine work credits from both countries to qualify for benefits. This could potentially help him reach the 40-credit threshold faster if needed. The key thing is that receiving Social Security benefits will NOT affect his immigration status or green card in any way - these are earned benefits he's paid into through payroll taxes.

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone with legal expertise! The point about checking his earnings record early is something I hadn't thought of - we'll definitely do that. And the totalization agreement is interesting too, though I'm not sure if his home country has one with the US. Where would be the best place to find out which countries have these agreements? Also, it's such a relief to know that claiming these benefits won't impact his green card status since he's worked so hard to maintain his legal status here.

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm really grateful for this incredibly detailed discussion! Reading through everyone's experiences with IRS Notice 2014-7 exempt income and Social Security earnings limits has been both educational and eye-opening about how complex these benefit interactions can be. What really stands out to me is how even SSA's own representatives give conflicting information on these specialized situations. The fact that multiple people received different answers about the same question is concerning but valuable to know upfront. It definitely reinforces the importance of pushing to speak with a Technical Expert rather than accepting general phone support answers for complex cases like this. The distinction between what's tax-exempt for IRS purposes versus what counts as "earnings" for the Social Security earnings test is something I never would have understood without this discussion. It's a perfect example of how different government agencies can have completely different rules even when dealing with the same income. I'm particularly appreciative of those who shared their real-world experiences - especially Dylan's detailed account of actually going through this process. Learning from people who've navigated the actual bureaucracy is so much more valuable than just reading policy documents online. For anyone else in similar situations, the consensus advice seems solid: assume your exempt income will count toward the earnings test until you get definitive written clarification from an SSA Technical Expert, and document everything along the way. Thank you all for such a thorough and helpful discussion!

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Welcome to the community, Nathaniel! As another newcomer who's been learning from this discussion, I'm equally struck by how much real-world complexity exists in what seems like it should be straightforward government benefit rules. This thread has been like a crash course in understanding how different agencies can interpret the same situation completely differently. Your observation about the conflicting SSA representative responses is spot on - it's both frustrating and important to understand that you really can't rely on general phone support for these specialized cases. The Technical Expert pathway seems to be the golden advice that keeps coming up throughout this discussion. I'm also taking notes on all the documentation recommendations (especially Form SSA-795 which I'd never heard of before). It's clear that protecting yourself with proper records is just as crucial as understanding the actual rules. The emphasis on getting everything in writing makes so much sense given how much variation there seems to be in interpretations. Thank you for adding your thoughtful summary to this already incredibly informative thread - it's been invaluable for those of us just starting to understand these complex benefit interactions!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm incredibly impressed by the depth of knowledge and real-world experience shared in this thread! The complexity surrounding IRS Notice 2014-7 exempt income and its interaction with Social Security earnings limits really highlights how challenging it can be to navigate these government program intersections. What concerns me most is the clear pattern of inconsistent information from different SSA representatives. It's both frustrating and enlightening to see that multiple people received completely different answers to the same question. This really drives home the importance of specifically requesting a Technical Expert rather than accepting guidance from general phone support staff for specialized situations like this. The distinction between tax-exempt status and what counts as "earnings" for the SSA limit is something I never would have grasped without reading everyone's detailed experiences here. It's a perfect example of how different government agencies can have entirely different interpretations of the same income source. I'm particularly grateful to those who shared their actual experiences navigating this process - Dylan's detailed account of working with a Technical Expert was especially valuable. Learning from people who've been through the real bureaucratic maze provides insights you simply can't get from reading policy documents alone. For anyone else facing similar situations with Medicaid waiver payments, the consensus advice seems very sound: assume your exempt income will likely count toward the earnings test until you receive definitive written clarification from an SSA Technical Expert. The emphasis on thorough documentation, using Form SSA-795, and getting all decisions in writing appears crucial for protecting yourself given the potential for varying interpretations. Thank you all for such an educational and thorough discussion - this has been an invaluable introduction to understanding these complex benefit interactions!

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Welcome to the community, Avery! As someone also new to understanding Social Security benefits, I'm equally amazed by how much valuable real-world knowledge has been shared in this thread. Your summary really captures the key challenges - especially the concerning pattern of inconsistent information from SSA representatives. What I find most helpful is how this discussion has shown the importance of being very specific about who you speak with at SSA. The Technical Expert route seems to be the most reliable path for these complex situations where multiple government programs intersect. I'm definitely making note of Form SSA-795 and the emphasis on getting everything documented in writing. The distinction between IRS tax treatment and SSA earnings treatment is something I never would have understood without reading everyone's experiences here. It's a great reminder that even when dealing with the same income, different government agencies can have completely different rules and interpretations. Thank you for adding such a thoughtful perspective to this already incredibly informative discussion! For those of us just starting to learn about these benefits, having access to this kind of detailed community knowledge is invaluable.

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Going back to the original question - here's a simple example to make it crystal clear: Let's say your gross SS benefit is $2,000/month and Medicare Part B premium is $170/month. Your net check is $1,830. If COLA is 3%, the increase is calculated on the $2,000, giving you a $60 increase (to $2,060). If Medicare then increases by $15 (to $185), your new net check would be $1,875 ($2,060 - $185). So even though you got a full 3% COLA ($60), your actual check only increased by $45 because of the Medicare premium increase. This is why many beneficiaries feel like they don't get the full COLA - other costs are rising simultaneously.

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Thank you for breaking it down with actual numbers! This makes it very clear. I've been on Social Security for 3 years now and always wondered why my increase never seemed to match the percentage they announced on the news.

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Just wanted to add that you can also check your exact COLA calculation by looking at your Social Security Statement online at ssa.gov/myaccount. It shows your benefit history and how each year's COLA was applied to your base amount. This helped me understand exactly how much my gross benefit increased versus what my net payment became after Medicare and other deductions. It's really helpful for budget planning since you can see the pattern of how COLA and Medicare premium changes have affected your payments over time.

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That's a great tip about checking the online statement! I'm still pretty new to navigating all the Social Security resources online. Is there anything specific I should look for on the statement to understand the COLA calculations better? I want to make sure I'm interpreting the numbers correctly when I review my account.

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