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MoonlightSonata

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To directly answer your question: you should absolutely set up voluntary withholding if you're concerned about a tax bill. The W-4V form is available on the IRS website (irs.gov), or Social Security can mail you one. A few key points about Social Security taxation that many new beneficiaries don't realize: 1. Whether your benefits are taxable depends on your "combined income" (AGI + non-taxable interest + half your SS benefits) 2. For individual filers: - Below $25,000: No tax on SS benefits - $25,000-$34,000: Up to 50% of benefits may be taxable - Above $34,000: Up to 85% of benefits may be taxable 3. For married filing jointly: - Below $32,000: No tax on SS benefits - $32,000-$44,000: Up to 50% of benefits may be taxable - Above $44,000: Up to 85% of benefits may be taxable Many retirees find 10% withholding works well, but consult with a tax professional based on your specific situation.

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Luca Ricci

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quick question - if your only income is social security of $1,800 per month, you don't need to pay taxes on it right? my brother doesn't file taxes anymore because SS is his only income

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MoonlightSonata

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That's correct. If Social Security is his only income at $1,800/month ($21,600/year), he's well below the $25,000 threshold where benefits become partially taxable for single filers. He likely doesn't need to file a federal return, though he should check if his state has different rules as some states do tax Social Security benefits differently than the federal government.

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Zara Khan

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Thank you all so much for the helpful information! I just downloaded the W-4V form and will send it in tomorrow. I'm thinking I'll start with 10% withholding and adjust next year if needed. I'll also check with my tax preparer to see if I should make any quarterly estimated tax payments for this year since I've already received a few months of benefits without withholding. It's frustrating that the SSA representative didn't explain any of this when I applied for benefits. When they say "before deductions" they should really clarify what that means! I suspect I'm not the only newly retired person confused by this.

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MoonlightSonata

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You're making a smart move getting this sorted out now. One quick tip: make a copy of your completed W-4V before sending it in, as sometimes these requests can take 1-3 months to process, and occasionally they get lost in the system. If you don't see the withholding start within 90 days, you may need to follow up with a copy of your original request.

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Zainab Omar

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why dont u just get a part time job for like a year or so? thats what my aunt did, she worked at walmart like 2 days a week for a year and got her quarters. way easier than waiting for congress to do something lol

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StarSeeker

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That's basically what I'm doing now - working part-time to earn more quarters. I was just hoping there might be a way to count those teaching years somehow so I could stop working. Sounds like I need to keep at it for a bit longer.

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Ava Martinez

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Just wanted to add something important about your husband's situation - even without the Fairness Act passing, if he has 30 quarters of covered employment, he might not be fully subject to the WEP reduction on his own record. There's a WEP guarantee that if you have 30+ years of substantial earnings under Social Security, the WEP doesn't apply. For fewer years, there's a partial exemption starting at 21 years. However, the GPO (affecting spousal/survivor benefits) doesn't have a similar exemption based on years of work, which is why the Fairness Act is so important for people like your husband who might be looking at spousal benefits.

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StarSeeker

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That's really interesting about the 30 quarters possibly helping with WEP! I'm not sure if his earnings in those jobs would count as "substantial" by SS standards, but I'll definitely look into this. Every bit helps at this point.

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Yuki Yamamoto

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my brother in law said the limit is goin up to like $175k next year does anyone know if thats true?

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Zoe Papadakis

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The 2025 wage base limit hasn't been officially announced yet. The SSA typically announces the new limit in October of the preceding year, so we should know the 2025 limit around October 2024. Your brother-in-law's estimate of $175k is reasonably close to what we might expect based on recent increases, but it's just a projection at this point.

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Andre Rousseau

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Just curious - isn't it kind of unfair that we pay into the system but once you reach a certain income they stop counting it? I mean if I pay more shouldn't I get more out?

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Carmen Ortiz

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It's a common question! The system was designed as social insurance with some wealth redistribution built in. Higher earners do get higher benefits than lower earners, but not proportionally higher. Here's an example: someone earning the maximum taxable amount their entire career might get a monthly benefit around $3,800 at full retirement age, while someone earning half as much might get around $2,400. So the high earner paid twice as much in taxes but doesn't get twice the benefit. The philosophical argument is that Social Security ensures a basic standard of living in retirement for all workers, not a direct savings account. But people definitely have different opinions about whether that's fair or not!

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Isabella Costa

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the whole system is rigged against disabled people trying to work!!!! i spent 5 HOURS on hold last month trying to report my daughter's income and then got disconnected! the SSA website is impossible to navigate and nobody gives the same answer twice. its like they WANT us to make mistakes so they can punish us later.

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OMG same experience!! the whole thing is designed to be confusing on purpose. my sister-in-law had to pay back $7k because of their mistakes not even hers!

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Ravi Malhotra

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Just a final recommendation - since your daughter has used all her Trial Work Period months and is in the Extended Period of Eligibility (EPE), the quarterly reporting approach using Form SSA-821 should work well. The key information SSA needs during the EPE is: 1. Monthly earnings amounts 2. Hours worked each month 3. Job duties/type of work This helps them determine if she's performing Substantial Gainful Activity (SGA). Since her earnings are consistently well below the SGA threshold ($1,550/month in 2025), her benefits should continue without interruption. Keep detailed records of all communications with SSA, including certified mail receipts. If your daughter's earnings pattern changes significantly, report it promptly. Quarterly reporting for consistent below-SGA earnings is a reasonable approach that balances compliance with practicality.

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Malik Jackson

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Thank you for this clear guidance! I feel much better now having a proper plan. I'll start the quarterly reporting using SSA-821 and will make sure to keep meticulous records of everything. So grateful for everyone's helpful advice!

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Omar Farouk

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Just wanted to add one thing - if your husband is still working, make sure to factor in how his last few years of earnings might increase his benefit calculation. My husband's final years of work at higher income actually bumped up his PIA since they replaced some lower-earning years from when he was young. The SSA uses the highest 35 years of earnings, so those last high-earning years can make a meaningful difference!

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That's such an important point! My brother-in-law missed this completely. He retired at 63 thinking his benefit was fixed, not realizing that working even part-time at a decent wage for a few more years could have replaced some zero-earning years in his calculation. The SSA doesn't do a great job explaining this.

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im confused about one thing. if ur only married 8 yrs does that affect spousal benefits? i thought u had to be married 10 yrs for that?

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Sean Fitzgerald

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You're thinking of divorced spouse benefits, which require a 10-year marriage. For current spouses, you only need to be married for 1 year to qualify for spousal benefits, and 9 months for survivor benefits (with some exceptions). Since they've been married 8 years, she qualifies for both types of benefits as long as they remain married.

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Thais Soares

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My sister just went thru this exact same thing!!! She turned 70 in December and switched from survivor to her own. The amount she got was actually $200 MORE than what they told her on the phone! So maybe you'll get lucky too! She said it was a huge relief after worrying about it for months.

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Isaiah Sanders

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thats lucky! my moms friend had the opposite happen - got less than they said. seems like nobody at ssa knows whats going on half the time

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Fidel Carson

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To answer your most recent question: Yes, you will receive an award letter in the mail after you apply that will show your exact benefit amount and how it was calculated. This typically arrives 2-4 weeks after your application is processed. The letter will show your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount), any delayed retirement credits, and your final monthly benefit amount. If you see any discrepancies or have questions about the calculation, you can call SSA for clarification after receiving this letter. I would recommend keeping this letter in a safe place for future reference since it contains the official record of your benefit calculation.

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Ana Rusula

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Perfect - I'll make sure to watch for that letter and compare it to what I'm told on the phone. I'm going to try calling next week (a month before my birthday). Thank you for all the help everyone!

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my friend did the online thing last year and got his first check in like 3 weeks! crazy fast! but he had everything perfect and is some kinda computer genius lol

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Emma Davis

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful responses! Based on your advice, I think I'll try applying online first since my work history is straightforward and I have all my documents ready. I'll do it exactly 3 months before my birthday in August. If anything gets stuck, I'll either try to get an appointment or use that phone service to talk to someone. Really appreciate all the insights!

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Ravi Sharma

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That sounds like a solid plan. One final tip: After you submit your online application, print or save the confirmation page. It will have your application number, which is extremely helpful if you need to follow up. Good luck!

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NeonNomad

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One more important thing: if your ex-spouse remarried but you haven't, you can still claim on their record. Your benefit claim has no effect on what your ex-spouse or their current spouse receives. Many people don't realize this and avoid claiming divorced spouse benefits unnecessarily.

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Liam McGuire

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That's good to know. My ex did remarry about 10 years ago, but I never did. I was worried that might affect eligibility somehow. You've all been so helpful in clearing up my misconceptions!

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WAIT does anyone know if this applies the same way for survivor benefits?? My mom's ex-husband died last year and they were married 30 years before divorcing in 2011. Can she get HER social security AND survivor benefits from him??? Now im confused if the rules are different for survivors vs regular retirement!!!

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Sofia Martinez

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Survivor benefits have different rules than divorced spouse benefits. With survivor benefits (including divorced survivor benefits), your mom can actually receive her own retirement benefit AND a partial survivor benefit if she's at full retirement age. Or she could take one first and switch to the other later depending on which maximizes her overall benefits. She should definitely contact SSA about this specific situation because survivor benefits offer more flexibility.

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Mei-Ling Chen

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MY SON WENT THRU SAME THING. social security is THE WORST!!! we gave them his work info 3 TIMES and they still kept sending letters saying we didnt report!! make sure you get RECEIPTS for EVERYTHING!

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Tyrone Hill

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This is a really important point. When you report wages online, always take screenshots or print the confirmation pages. The SSA systems don't always communicate properly with each other, and having documentation of your reporting can save you from headaches if they later claim you didn't report properly. I also recommend keeping a simple spreadsheet with dates of reporting and the amounts reported.

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Ahooker-Equator

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Just to add some clarification since there's been some confusion in the responses - the SSA wage reporting system specifically needs the Federal EIN, not a state tax ID or other business identifier. Also, once you have the online reporting set up, you'll need to be aware of your son's Trial Work Period (TWP) months and Substantial Gainful Activity (SGA) threshold if he's receiving SSDI-based benefits. The 2025 SGA amount is $1,550 for non-blind disabled individuals, and staying below that is crucial for maintaining benefits.

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Abigail bergen

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Thank you for mentioning the SGA amount. The case worker did talk about that, but I wasn't sure of the exact number for 2025. My son is only working about 10 hours a week at $15/hour, so he should stay well below that threshold. Does the TWP apply to disabled adult child benefits too? I thought that was just for regular SSDI.

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Ahooker-Equator

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Yes, the Trial Work Period does apply to Disabled Adult Child (DAC) benefits since they're administered under the same rules as SSDI. Your son gets 9 TWP months (not necessarily consecutive) where he can earn any amount without affecting benefits. A TWP month in 2025 is any month he earns over $1,110. After using all 9 TWP months, the SGA limit kicks in. At his current hours, he's likely staying under the TWP threshold too, which is good!

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Malik Johnson

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I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING!!! Since you already filed for your retirement, you need to WITHDRAW that application before your benefits start in February!!! There's a specific form called SSA-521 \

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Good catch! I didn't even think about that part. Once benefits start it's much harder to change course.

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