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I'm in a very similar situation and have been putting off dealing with this for weeks! Reading through everyone's detailed experiences here has been incredibly helpful and much more informative than anything I could find on the SSA website. I particularly appreciate the insider tips from StarGazer101 about using the exact phrase "convert from survivor benefits to my own retirement benefits at age 70" - that kind of specific language seems crucial for getting the right response from SSA reps. The practice call idea from Zainab is brilliant too. I've been dreading making the actual application call, but doing a trial run first would definitely help me feel more prepared and less anxious about the whole process. One question I have: for those who successfully made the switch, did you find it helpful to have any documentation ready about your late spouse's work history or Social Security record? Or does SSA already have all that information accessible when you call about the conversion? Thank you all for sharing such detailed experiences. This thread has given me the confidence to finally start this process instead of continuing to procrastinate!

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I'm so glad this thread encouraged you to finally start the process! Procrastination with Social Security stuff is totally understandable - it can feel overwhelming. To answer your question about documentation: SSA should have all your late spouse's work history and Social Security information already in their system since you're currently receiving survivor benefits based on their record. However, I'd still recommend having their Social Security number handy when you call, just in case the rep needs to quickly reference or verify something. One thing that helped me was writing down a few key dates before calling - like when my spouse passed away and when I started receiving survivor benefits. The reps sometimes ask for these details to pull up the right records quickly, and having them ready made me feel more prepared. The practice call idea really is great for reducing anxiety! You'll be surprised how much more confident you feel after that first conversation, even if it's just for information gathering. And definitely use that exact phrase StarGazer101 mentioned - it really does seem to help the reps understand exactly what you need right away. You've got this! The hardest part is just making that first call, and you're already armed with so much good advice from everyone here.

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Reading through all these experiences has been incredibly reassuring! I'm turning 70 in May and have been putting off starting this process because the SSA phone system seemed so intimidating. But seeing how many of you have successfully navigated this transition gives me confidence. I love all the specific tips - especially the 8 AM calling strategy, having the exact phrase ready ("convert from survivor benefits to my own retirement benefits at age 70"), and the practice call idea. That's brilliant! One thing I'm still unclear on: when you all mention applying 3-4 months early, does that mean I should be calling in January or February for my May birthday? And should I be concerned about any potential delays given that it's the holiday season right now? Also, has anyone had experience with this process if you live in a rural area with limited local SSA office access? I'm wondering if the phone application is just as effective as doing it in person. Thank you all so much for sharing your experiences - this thread has been more helpful than anything I've found elsewhere!

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For your May birthday, I'd definitely recommend calling in January or early February - that gives you the full 3-4 month window that everyone has mentioned works best. Don't worry about holiday delays affecting your timeline since you're starting the process well after the holidays anyway. Regarding rural areas with limited office access, the phone application seems to work just as well as in-person from what I've read here. Several people mentioned completing their entire conversion over the phone successfully. The key is just being well-prepared with all your documents and using that specific language about "converting" rather than applying for new benefits. I'd suggest doing that practice call idea in late December or early January - just to get a feel for the system and confirm your estimated benefit amount. Then when you're ready to do the actual application call in January/February, you'll already be familiar with the process and have worked out any potential issues. The 8 AM calling strategy really seems to be the secret weapon based on everyone's experiences here. Set that alarm and have your coffee ready! You've got plenty of time to prepare and all the right advice from this thread.

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ALSO!!!!! don't forget the one-time death benefit of $255. Not much but better than nothing I guess.

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Thanks for mentioning this. Every little bit helps, though you're right that $255 doesn't go very far these days. I appreciate everyone's help with this planning - it's stressful to think about but better to understand the options now.

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Just wanted to add something I learned when helping my mom navigate this - there's also a Medicare consideration to keep in mind. If you're under 65 when your husband passes and you start receiving survivor benefits, you won't automatically get Medicare until you turn 65 (unless you qualify for disability). This is different from retirement benefits where Medicare kicks in at 65 regardless. So factor in health insurance costs when you're calculating the financial impact of different claiming strategies. My mom had to get marketplace insurance for 3 years between when she started survivor benefits at 62 and when Medicare started at 65, which was an unexpected expense in her budget planning.

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This is exactly the kind of detail that gets overlooked when planning! I'm 55 now so I'd potentially have a 3-year gap too if something happened to my husband before I turn 65. Do you happen to know if survivor benefits count as income that could affect marketplace insurance subsidies? I'm realizing there are so many interconnected pieces to consider beyond just the Social Security benefit amounts themselves.

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Yes, survivor benefits do count as income for marketplace insurance subsidies, which is another wrinkle to consider. My sister went through this recently and found that her survivor benefits pushed her income just high enough to reduce her premium subsidies significantly. She ended up paying about $400/month for decent coverage, which definitely ate into the financial advantage of taking survivor benefits early. It's worth running the numbers with a healthcare.gov calculator to see how survivor benefits might affect your subsidy eligibility. Sometimes the insurance cost increase can offset a good chunk of the benefit from claiming early.

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To clarify for everyone: When you apply for benefits in your first year of retirement, you need to: 1) Tell SSA you're retiring or significantly reducing work that month 2) Stay under the monthly limit for each month you receive benefits 3) Verify they coded your application for the monthly earnings test 4) Keep documentation of your work reduction If you do all that, then yes, your pre-retirement earnings in 2025 won't count against you. But you must actually reduce your work when you say you're going to.

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This is super helpful - thank you! I'll make sure to explicitly request the monthly earnings test when I apply and have documentation ready about my reduced hours starting in June.

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Just wanted to add one more important point - when you apply in June, make sure you get written confirmation from SSA that they're applying the monthly earnings test to your case. I've seen too many situations where people thought they were set up correctly but SSA was actually using the annual test. You can request this confirmation in writing or ask for a receipt showing how they coded your retirement date. This will save you a lot of headaches later if there's any confusion about which test applies to your situation.

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That's excellent advice about getting written confirmation! I hadn't thought about asking for a receipt showing how they coded my retirement date. Given some of the horror stories shared here about people getting hit with overpayment notices months later, having that documentation upfront seems crucial. Is there a specific form or document I should request, or just ask the agent to note it in my file?

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When I applied, I asked them to send me a "Notice of Award" or "Award Letter" that specifically mentions the monthly earnings test and my retirement effective date. You can also request what's called an "Earnings Test Determination" letter. If they can't provide that immediately, ask the representative to make detailed notes in your file about the monthly test application and request a follow-up letter confirming this within 30 days. Having this paper trail saved me when there was confusion later about my earnings limit calculation.

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One other factor to consider: When your wife reaches her retirement age, the SSA will give her the larger of either her own retirement benefit or the spousal benefit she qualifies for. She doesn't get both. So if her teacher career ends up giving her a Social Security benefit that's more than half of your FRA amount, the spousal benefit would be irrelevant. If the GPO applies though, it could significantly reduce or eliminate any spousal benefits. Definitely worth contacting SSA directly to get a personalized analysis of your situation. They can do calculations specific to your earnings records.

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That makes sense. I think we'll definitely need to speak with an SSA representative about our specific situation, especially with the pension complications. I appreciate the detailed advice.

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Since she's only 52 now any planning you do is just rough estimates anyway. The rules might change by the time she's old enough to claim anything!

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That's a really good point about rule changes! Given that she won't be eligible for spousal benefits for another 10 years, there's definitely time for Congress to modify the system. It's still worth understanding the current rules for planning purposes, but you're absolutely right that they shouldn't lock themselves into any rigid strategy based on today's regulations. Flexibility will be key as they get closer to her actual retirement eligibility.

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As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to share some information that might help with your planning. I went through a very similar situation last year in Indiana when I was 64 and facing potential layoffs. One thing I learned that might be helpful is to check whether your company offers any "bridge to retirement" programs or enhanced severance packages for employees close to retirement age. Some companies have special programs for workers 62+ that can provide additional financial support during the transition to Social Security. Also, regarding the unemployment work search requirements that others mentioned - Indiana does allow some flexibility for older workers. You can often count activities like skills assessment meetings with career counselors, resume workshops, and even online job training courses toward your weekly work search requirements. The key is documenting everything properly. I'd also suggest contacting your local Area Agency on Aging (AAA). They often have financial counselors who specialize in retirement transitions and can help you model different scenarios for free. They're familiar with both Social Security timing decisions and how unemployment benefits factor into the overall picture. The community has given you excellent technical advice about Indiana's favorable rules. From a practical standpoint, having multiple income sources during this transition actually worked out well for me - it gave me more flexibility to be selective about job opportunities while still meeting my financial needs. Best of luck with your planning - you're asking all the right questions ahead of time, which will make whatever happens much more manageable!

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As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to add some perspective from someone who recently went through this exact situation in Indiana. I was laid off at 64 and had to navigate collecting both unemployment and Social Security benefits. The advice here is spot-on about Indiana allowing both benefits without reduction. What I'd add from my experience: **Timing considerations**: If you're planning to start Social Security in June anyway, getting laid off in April might actually work in your favor. You'll have two months to establish your unemployment claim and get familiar with the system before adding Social Security into the mix. **Communication between agencies**: Neither agency automatically notifies the other about your benefits. You don't need to report unemployment income to Social Security or vice versa - they're completely separate systems with different purposes and funding sources. **Practical tip for job searching**: Since unemployment requires active job searching, consider targeting positions that would start after you begin collecting Social Security. Many employers are actually interested in experienced workers who are supplementing Social Security - it can make you a more attractive candidate since they know you're not desperate for high wages. **Banking strategy**: I set up automatic transfers to move 25% of each payment to a separate account for taxes. This made tax season much less painful and helped me avoid the quarterly payment stress others mentioned. You're being smart to plan ahead rather than react after a layoff. Indiana's rules make this one of the easier states to manage both benefits, and this community has given you excellent guidance. Good luck with whatever happens!

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