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One more important thing - if you decide to take your own retirement benefit early at 62 while waiting to switch to survivor benefits at FRA, be aware that you must explicitly FILE FOR AND RESTRICT YOUR APPLICATION to retirement benefits only. Otherwise, SSA might automatically give you the higher of the two benefits, which could prevent you from using the strategy of switching later. This is one of those technical details that's incredibly important but often not explained clearly. When you do speak with an agent, specifically ask about the "restricted application" process for your situation.

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This is so true! My friend didnt know about this restriction thing and ended up missing out on thousands of dollars because she didn't file correctly. The SSA people didn't even tell her about this option until it was too late. Always specifically ASK about all your options!

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Hey just wondering did you ever get through to SSA? If you do get ahold of them can you post back what they said about your case? Im in a similar situation except I was married 12 years and I'm wondering how they calculate the amount for an ex spouse.

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I haven't been able to get through yet, but I'm going to try that Claimyr service someone mentioned above. I'll definitely post back once I speak with SSA and let you know what they say about calculating ex-spouse survivor benefits. From what I understand so far, it should be the same as if you were still married when they died, as long as you met the 10-year requirement.

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ALSO!!! Tell your friend to check if she's getting any state-specific senior benefits in Georgia that might not be available in Alabama!!! Each state has different programs for seniors beyond Social Security!!! Georgia has better property tax exemptions for seniors than Alabama in some counties!!!

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Thank you all for the helpful information! I've shared all this with my friend and she feels much better about the move now. She's going to make sure to update her address well in advance and check on her Medicare coverage options in the new location. It's good to know the actual Social Security amount won't change - that was her biggest worry. I appreciate everyone taking the time to share your experiences and knowledge!

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Glad we could help! Just to summarize for your friend: 1. Update her address with SSA as soon as she knows her new address (can do online at ssa.gov/myaccount) 2. Check Medicare network coverage in her new location 3. Look into any state-specific senior benefits she might gain/lose 4. Keep all her banking information the same initially to avoid direct deposit issues Wishing her a smooth transition!

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i work at social security office front desk. bring marriage certificate with you when you apply!!! so many people forget this and have to come back. for retroactive you need to ask for it on the application (there is a specific question about it). also bring your teacher pension info that shows your current amount.

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Thank you for the insider tip! I'll make sure to bring our marriage certificate and my pension statement. Is there anything else I should bring? I have my husband's SS number memorized, but should I bring any documentation about his benefits too?

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bring your ID, your ssn card, birth certificate if you have it handy. dont need husbands benefit info we can look that up in our system. if you have direct deposit bring voided check too.

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One more thing to add - make sure you understand exactly how much you'll get after GPO. The calculation is: 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount MINUS (2/3 × your teacher's pension). So if your husband's PIA is $2,300, half of that is $1,150. Then if your pension is $1,875, two-thirds of that is $1,250. So $1,150 - $1,250 would mean zero benefit. But if his PIA is higher than what he receives, you might get something. The SSA can calculate this precisely for your situation.

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This is really helpful - I think I've been calculating based on what he currently receives rather than his PIA. I'll need to find out what his PIA actually is. Does that include the COLAs over the years or is it the original amount he was entitled to at his FRA?

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His PIA would include all the COLAs since he filed. It's essentially what he would receive at his Full Retirement Age in today's dollars. If he took benefits early and gets less than his PIA, you could still qualify for more than you expected since spousal benefits are based on the PIA, not his reduced amount. Worth checking!

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My brother-in-law just retired and was asking about this same thing last week! Strange coincidence. He decided to just wait until full retirement age to avoid the whole earnings limit headache. Said it wasn't worth the paperwork nightmare lol.

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Beth Ford

I thought the earnings limit was like $19k? Did it go up for 2025? I need to double check if I'm calculating right for next year...

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Yes, the annual earnings limit for people younger than full retirement age is $23,400 for 2025. It was $21,240 for 2023 and $22,320 for 2024. It increases every year with inflation.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I feel a bit better knowing this is unfortunately normal right now. I'm going to try calling early tomorrow morning, and if I can't get through, I might try that Claimyr service someone mentioned. If I'm still waiting after another 2-3 weeks, I'll contact my congressional representative's office. I'll update once I hear something!

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Amina Sy

good luck! the waiting is the worst part

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My neighbor works for SSA and she told me they have internal software that shows all this but they don't give public access to it!! So frustrating!!!

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Of COURSE they keep the good tools for themselves!! Typical govt bureaucracy - they make it IMPOSSIBLE for regular people to understand their benefits!!!

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Just wanted to update everyone - I just found a somewhat hidden feature in the my Social Security portal that gives more comparison options. After you log in, go to 'Plan for Retirement' (not the basic benefit calculator), then click 'Compare Retirement Options.' This tool lets you create and compare different scenarios with sliders for retirement age and future earnings. Still not a complete matrix, but much better than running one calculation at a time. Hope this helps!

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Thank you so much for this tip! I just found it and it's exactly what I needed. I can see different retirement ages and earning levels side by side. Not quite a full matrix but way better than what I was using before. Really appreciate everyone's help!

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Everyone forgets that Social Security payments are paid in ARREARS! This means you get your November payment in December, December payment in January, etc. So if you turn 70 in November and file then, your first payment at the higher 70-year-old rate comes in December. But the system also adds final DRCs (delayed retirement credits) in January processing. It's a weird timing thing that confuses everyone.

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Exactly! And I think the online calculators sometimes make it more confusing because they don't always explain this clearly. They just show numbers jumping up without explaining WHY or WHEN.

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I think there's a misunderstanding in your post. You said you're turning 69 in September, but then talk about maximizing benefits which happens at 70. Are you planning to claim at 69 or wait until 70? If you want the absolute maximum, you need to wait until you're 70 (September 2026) to apply. For every month you claim before 70, you're leaving some potential increase on the table. Each month of delay between FRA and 70 adds about 2/3 of 1% to your benefit amount. The online calculator is probably just showing you what your benefit would be based on different claiming scenarios.

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Mei Chen

You're right - I should have been clearer. I'm turning 70 this November (not 69), and I'm looking to maximize my benefits. Thanks for pointing that out! So based on all the advice here, I should apply just before turning 70 and specify November as my start month, even though I won't see the full increase until early 2026.

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my mom lost her ss when she remarried but she was only 58 so maybe thats why?? the age thing makes sense now that i think about it

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Xan Dae

Yes! That's exactly why. The cutoff is age 60 for most people (or 50 if you're disabled). Your mom was just under the threshold at 58, so different rules applied to her situation.

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Update: I used that Claimyr service someone suggested and actually got through to SSA! The representative confirmed that I will keep my survivor benefits after remarriage since I'm over 60. She also told me I need to report the marriage within 10 days by bringing my marriage certificate to the local office or mailing a certified copy. Just wanted to thank everyone for their help! Wedding planning can continue without financial stress now. ❤️

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Excellent news! Glad you got official confirmation. One more tip: when you go to report the marriage, bring your current ID, your marriage certificate, and your Social Security card if you have it. Also bring your deceased spouse's Social Security number (if you know it) to help them locate your records faster. Congratulations on your upcoming marriage!

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Everyone's giving complicated answers but it's simple: You get 100% of husband's benefit if you wait till your FRA You get less if you take it early Birth year only matters because it determines your FRA (Full Retirement Age) For people born in 1960s or later FRA is 67 For people born earlier it's a bit less You also need to know if husband took benefits early himself because that might reduce what you get

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Thank you for the straightforward explanation. I appreciate everyone's help. We still have time to plan, but it sounds like I need to be very careful about WHEN I claim any survivor benefits if that unfortunate situation arises. I'll definitely look into the strategy of potentially claiming one benefit type earlier and switching later.

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my aunt had to deal with this last year and she said the local SS office gave her different info than the phone ppl!!! make sure u get everything in writing when u talk to them

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This is excellent advice. I always recommend that people request and keep a detailed Benefits Statement from SSA that shows their benefit amounts under different scenarios. Local offices and phone representatives sometimes provide conflicting information, so having documentation is important. The SSA's website has been improving, and you can now get personalized benefit estimates through your my Social Security account, but for complex situations involving survivor benefits, it's worth getting a written benefit analysis.

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Maya Diaz

One more thing - remember that once you hit your full retirement age the earnings limit goes away COMPLETELY!!! Then you can work as much as u want and make as much $ as u want with no reduction in benefits. So if ur FRA is coming up soon maybe just hang tight if ur worried

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Yes! My FRA is in about 16 months, so that's good to remember. I might just scale back a little until then just to be safe. Thanks!

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Just to clarify an important point about self-employment: While the 45-hour rule isn't relevant for survivor benefits, SSA does have a special test for self-employed people that can be applied in certain circumstances. They can evaluate if you're providing significant services to your business despite low reported income. However, this is primarily applied in situations where there's reason to suspect income manipulation - like a business owner suddenly reporting minimal income after retirement while continuing to work the same hours. For a small flower farm with modest income like yours, this is extremely unlikely to be an issue. Just keep good records, report your income honestly, and you should be fine with your survivor benefits as long as you stay under the annual earnings limit.

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Thank you for that additional information. My farm is very transparent - I sell at local markets and track everything. I'm definitely not making enough to raise any red flags! I appreciate everyone's help - this community has been so informative.

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