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Claiming Social Security at FRA+3 vs age 70 - $500 monthly difference with 80yo break-even point

I'm currently 66 and a half (about 3 months past my full retirement age) and struggling with the SS benefits timing decision. According to the benefit estimator, if I claim now versus waiting until 70, the break-even point is around 80 years and 3-4 months. My monthly benefit would be about $2,850 now versus approximately $3,350 if I wait until 70. I understand nobody can predict their expiration date (so please no philosophical discussions about mortality). I'm still working (self-employed consultant) and financially don't urgently need the income, but I'm starting to think waiting until 70 doesn't make financial sense for my situation. The delayed credits are nice, but is a $500 monthly increase worth waiting 3.5 more years when I could collect over $120,000 during that time? Has anyone else faced this decision recently? What factors ultimately swayed your choice? Any perspective from those who chose to claim right at FRA versus those who waited until 70?

This is a great question and one that many people struggle with. The break-even analysis is just one factor to consider. Here are some other things to think about: 1. Survivor benefits - if you're married, your surviving spouse would receive your higher benefit amount. So waiting might benefit them long-term. 2. Tax implications - while working, your SS benefits could be partially taxable depending on your combined income. Have you factored this into your calculations? 3. Investment potential - if you don't need the money now, would you invest those benefits? At what expected return? 4. Longevity in your family - do people typically live into their 90s? I waited until 68 to claim and felt it was a good middle ground. The actuarial tables suggest the average male lives to about 84 these days, which would put you past the break-even point.

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Thanks for this thoughtful response. The survivor benefit point is irrelevant in my case (not married). Tax implications are definitely a factor I hadn't fully considered - you're right that while I'm still working, up to 85% of the SS benefits could be taxable. I probably would invest most of the money if I took it now. Family longevity is mixed - some relatives lived to 90s, others didn't make it past 75. That uncertainty is what makes this tricky! I like your compromise of claiming at 68 - I hadn't really considered a middle-ground approach.

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Demi Hall

take it now!!!! i started mine at 62 and have ZERO regrets. life is short. who knows if social security will even exist in 10 years anyway with all the govt problems. bird in hand worth 2 in bush as they say

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This is misinformation. Social Security is fully funded through 2034, and even after that it would still pay around 80% of benefits if no changes are made. Congress has always fixed funding issues before they become critical. Taking benefits at 62 results in a 30% permanent reduction compared to FRA. The OP is already past FRA, so they're looking at gaining 8% per year in delayed retirement credits until age 70. This is a guaranteed return you can't get anywhere else. OP - if you don't need the money and expect to live past 80, mathematically it makes sense to wait. If you'd enjoy having the extra money now for quality of life or have health concerns, taking it now could be reasonable.

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I faced this EXACT situation last year. I was 3 months past my FRA (66+2mo for me) and debating whether to wait. I had about the same differential ($520 more per month if I waited until 70). After months of overthinking it, I decided to split the difference and filed at 68. My reasoning was: 1) I got some delayed retirement credits (16% increase over FRA amount) 2) I only gave up 2 years of potential collection instead of 4 3) My break-even age moved from 80+ down to around 77 One thing you might consider is starting now but voluntarily suspending your benefits later if your financial situation changes. You can voluntarily suspend after FRA and restart later with increased benefits.

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The voluntary suspension option is interesting - I hadn't considered that flexibility. So theoretically I could start benefits now, collect for a year or so, then suspend if my business does particularly well, and then restart later with some delayed credits? That gives me more options than I realized. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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anyone know how long it takes to get first payment after you apply? i heard it can take months and thats another reason to apply sooner rather than later!!

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It took me about 6 weeks to get my first payment after applying online. The retroactive payment (since I was past FRA) came about 2 weeks after that. They back-pay you for any months you were eligible but hadn't received benefits yet, so you don't actually lose money by the processing time.

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I've been trying to reach SSA for weeks about this exact question for my own situation! Calling is impossible - busy signals or 2+ hour waits that end in disconnection. Has anyone found a better way to talk to an actual person at Social Security? I need to discuss some specifics about my self-employment income and how it affects my decision.

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I had the same problem last month when trying to get info about my application status. After getting disconnected three times, I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an actual SSA agent in under 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU It was worth it to finally get my questions answered about how my self-employment income would affect my benefits. The agent walked me through the earnings test since I'm still working (though it sounds like you're past FRA so the earnings test wouldn't apply to you).

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One critical factor to consider is that you're self-employed. Since you're past FRA, the earnings test doesn't apply to you anymore, which means you can earn unlimited income without affecting your Social Security benefits. However, as a self-employed person, you're still paying the full 15.3% in FICA taxes (both employee and employer portions) on your earnings. If you need to keep working anyway to maintain your lifestyle or business, and you're paying those taxes, you might as well start collecting benefits now. Also consider: 1. The 8% per year delayed credits are fixed - you can't get a guaranteed 8% return elsewhere 2. Social Security is inflation-adjusted annually with COLA increases 3. Medicare Part B premiums (which increase annually) will be automatically deducted from your SS payment Finally, have you checked whether you might qualify for any special filing strategies based on previous marriages or other factors?

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The self-employment tax angle is one I hadn't thought about - you're right that I'm paying the full 15.3% on everything I earn. And true, the fact that I've already passed FRA means I can earn unlimited income without benefit reductions. The guaranteed 8% return is compelling, but so is having $120K in my pocket over the next 3.5 years. I like that Social Security benefits adjust with inflation - my investments might not keep pace if inflation stays high. I was briefly married (6 years) decades ago, but I don't think that qualifies me for any spousal benefits since it was less than 10 years. Are there other special filing strategies I should look into?

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Demi Hall

my neighbor waited til 70 and died at 72, only got 2 yrs of benefits. total waste!!!

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I'm sorry about your neighbor, but that's anecdotal evidence. Statistically, about 40% of men and 50% of women who reach age 65 will live beyond age 85. Each person needs to make this decision based on their own health situation, family history, and financial needs rather than individual stories. For some people, the peace of mind of a higher guaranteed lifetime income is worth waiting for. For others, collecting earlier makes more sense. It's a personal decision with no universally right answer.

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When I was in your exact situation back in 2022, I found the Retirement Income Calculator on the SSA website to be extremely helpful. It showed me all the different scenarios and how my monthly payment would change based on when I filed. Since you're self-employed, have you also considered how your retirement decision impacts your business? Will you continue working the same amount or scale back? Do you plan to sell your business eventually? In my case, I decided to take benefits at my FRA (66+4 months) because I was planning to scale back my consulting work over the next few years anyway. I didn't want to completely stop working, but I wanted to be more selective about projects. Three years later, I'm glad I made that choice. The monthly payments have allowed me to be pickier about which clients I take on, and I've actually enjoyed my work more as a result.

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That's a great perspective! I've been using the SSA calculators, but hadn't really thought about how the decision impacts my approach to work. I've been considering scaling back over the next 5 years (I'm a marketing consultant), but haven't made concrete plans. Maybe having those Social Security payments would give me the flexibility to turn down less interesting projects and focus on work I actually enjoy. That's a quality-of-life factor I hadn't considered in my financial calculations. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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do you get more money if you start benefits on your birthday month or does it not matter what month you start?

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The month doesn't matter in terms of the calculation. Your benefit amount increases by 2/3 of 1% for each month you delay after FRA (which works out to 8% per year). So whether you apply in your birth month or any other month, you'll get credit for the exact number of months you've delayed. However, benefits are paid in the month following the month they're due for. So if you want your first payment to arrive in a specific month, you should apply one month earlier. Also remember that SSA pays benefits based on your age on the LAST day of the month, except for those born on the 1st of the month.

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