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Understanding S Corp Form 1120-S Income Reporting - Shareholder Salary Question

I'm trying to wrap my head around how S Corp taxation works while reviewing our Form 1120-S with our accountant. She gave us this scenario that's really confusing me: Suppose an S Corp had: 1. $100,000 cash balance at the beginning of 2023 2. Generated zero revenue in 2023 3. Had zero business expenses in 2023 4. The sole shareholder (me) took a $40,000 salary According to our accountant, the net taxable income for the S Corp would be $0 for the year. She explained that the shareholder's salary comes out of the "shareholder basis" and doesn't affect the business's taxable income. This makes no sense to me. I would have thought the taxable income would be -$40,000 since we paid out $40K with no revenue coming in. I feel like I'm missing something fundamental about how S Corp taxation works. I don't want to question her expertise directly, but I need to understand if this is actually correct or if I should be concerned. Can someone explain if the accountant's example is accurate? How can paying a salary not impact the business's taxable income?

Sean Doyle

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Your accountant is correct, but I understand why it's confusing. Here's what's happening in simpler terms: In an S Corporation, shareholder salaries are not deducted as business expenses on the 1120-S. Instead, they're reported on Form W-2 and handled separately from the business income calculation. The salary is a distribution to you as an employee of the company, not a business expense that reduces taxable income. The S Corp's taxable income only includes business revenue minus legitimate business expenses. Shareholder-employee compensation isn't considered a business expense for tax purposes - it's a distribution of already-taxed funds. Think of it this way: The $100,000 in your business account is already-taxed money from previous years. When you pay yourself a salary from that money, you're essentially taking a distribution of funds that were already accounted for in previous tax years.

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StarStrider

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Thanks for the explanation, but I'm still confused. If I pay myself a salary, doesn't that money have to come from somewhere? The business literally has $40,000 less cash at the end of the year than it did at the beginning. How is that not reflected on the tax forms? Also, I thought salaries to S Corp owners WERE considered deductible expenses, which is why people recommend taking a reasonable salary instead of just distributions. Am I misunderstanding something fundamental about how cash flow connects to taxes in an S Corp?

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Sean Doyle

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You're mixing up two different concepts here. S Corp owner salaries ARE deductible expenses for employment tax purposes - they appear on the W-2 and the business pays employment taxes on them. But for income tax purposes on the 1120-S, they're handled differently. The cash reduction is reflected on your balance sheet, not as a business expense that reduces taxable income. The 1120-S will show the beginning and ending cash balances correctly, and the $40,000 reduction would appear as a distribution to shareholders, not as an expense that reduces business income. This is one of the fundamental features of S Corp taxation that makes it different from other entity types.

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Luca Romano

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That sounds helpful, but does it actually explain how this makes sense from a cash flow perspective? Because I'm with the OP - if money leaves the business account to pay a salary, how is that not an expense of the business?

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Ethan Taylor

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I think there's some confusion here about what's actually happening with the S Corp's books in this example. Let me try to clarify: 1. The $40,000 salary IS an expense for accounting purposes 2. It DOES reduce the cash balance of the company 3. But for tax purposes on Form 1120-S, it's not treated as a business expense The reason is that S Corps are pass-through entities where income is taxed at the shareholder level. The salary is reported on a W-2, and the shareholder pays income tax on it that way. It reduces the shareholder's basis, but doesn't create a business loss. Your accountant is right, but she could have explained it more clearly by separating the accounting view from the tax reporting view.

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Yuki Ito

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Can you explain what you mean by "it reduces the shareholder's basis"? I thought basis was only affected by profits, losses, and contributions, not by salary payments.

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Ethan Taylor

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You're right to question that - I could have been clearer. Salary payments themselves don't directly reduce basis. Basis is primarily affected by capital contributions, income passed through to shareholders, losses passed through, and distributions. In this scenario, the $40,000 salary doesn't affect basis as a salary. However, the cash reduction would be reflected on the balance sheet. If that cash was paid as a distribution beyond salary, then it would reduce basis. The accountant in the original example might have been conflating salary and distributions, which is a common source of confusion with S Corps.

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Carmen Lopez

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Speaking from experience running my S Corp for 10 years, the key here is understanding the DUAL roles you have in your S Corp: 1. As an EMPLOYEE receiving a salary (reported on W-2) 2. As an OWNER receiving distributions of profit (reported on K-1) Your accountant is right that the $40k salary doesn't create a business loss on the 1120-S. BUT, that money had to come from somewhere! In your example, since there's no revenue, the $40k is effectively coming from your beginning cash balance, which represents retained earnings from previous years. This is why the S Corp basis tracking is so important - it follows the money through the business and to the shareholders correctly.

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Andre Dupont

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So in this example, would the $40k salary be considered a distribution of prior year earnings? And if so, wouldn't that still reduce the owner's basis?

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No, the $40k salary wouldn't be considered a distribution - it's actual wages paid to the shareholder-employee. The salary gets reported on Form W-2 and is subject to payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare, unemployment). The confusion comes from WHERE the money comes from versus HOW it's taxed. Yes, the $40k comes from the company's cash (which represents retained earnings from prior years), but it's paid as W-2 wages, not as a distribution. If it were a distribution, it would reduce basis and wouldn't be subject to payroll taxes. But since it's salary, the company pays the employer portion of payroll taxes, and the owner pays the employee portion - just like any other employee. The key is that S Corp owners must take "reasonable compensation" as salary before taking distributions, which is why this distinction matters so much.

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This is a great example of why S Corp taxation can be so confusing! Your accountant is absolutely correct, and I think the confusion comes from mixing up cash flow with tax reporting. Here's what's actually happening in your scenario: **Cash Flow Reality:** Your business started with $100k, paid out $40k in salary, and ended with $60k cash. The $40k definitely left the business account. **Tax Reporting Reality:** On Form 1120-S, that $40k salary is NOT treated as a business expense that reduces income. Instead, it's reported on your W-2 as wages. The business also pays employer payroll taxes on that salary. The reason this makes sense is that S Corps have a unique "dual taxation" structure. The salary portion gets taxed as regular W-2 income (with payroll taxes), while business profits flow through to your personal return via Schedule K-1. Think of it this way: if S Corp salaries reduced business income dollar-for-dollar, you could theoretically pay yourself a huge salary and create artificial business losses. The IRS prevents this by requiring "reasonable compensation" as salary (subject to payroll taxes) and treating the rest as distributions. Your $100k starting balance represents retained earnings from previous profitable years. When you pay salary from that money, you're essentially converting prior-year profits into current-year wages - which changes how it gets taxed but doesn't create a new business loss.

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StarStrider

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This explanation really helps clarify the dual nature of S Corp taxation! I'm curious though - in this scenario where the business has zero revenue and pays $40k in salary, wouldn't the company still need to report and pay the employer portion of payroll taxes? How does that get handled on the 1120-S if the salary itself isn't treated as a deductible business expense? Also, when you mention "reasonable compensation," how does the IRS determine what's reasonable when the business isn't generating any current income? It seems like there would be additional complexities around justifying a $40k salary when there's no business activity.

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