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Amara Okafor

S-Corp Salary vs Distribution ratio - need advice on tax professional's recommendation

I'm looking for a second opinion on what my tax professional is recommending for my S-corporation. My plumbing service business is set up as an S-corp. In 2023, we had gross revenue of about $52,750 and I took around $3,660 in distributions. My tax professional had me take a $2,000 salary and pay $800 in Federal withholding. Fast forward to this year, and we've grossed approximately $65,000, with me taking roughly $4,950 in distributions. Now my tax professional is telling me I need to claim a $5,000 salary and pay $1,500 in Federal withholding. I'm confused about a couple things: 1) Why would my salary need to increase by 150% when my gross only increased by about 22%? 2) My business basically breaks even every year after expenses. Do I really have to keep claiming payroll when the amount I'm taking from my business is less than 10% of the gross and everything else goes to operating expenses? I feel like I'm missing something about how S-corp salary vs distributions should work. Any insights would be appreciated!

What you're experiencing is pretty common with S-corps. The IRS requires S-corp owners to take a "reasonable salary" before taking distributions, which is likely what your tax professional is concerned about. Your $2,000 salary from last year was probably too low by IRS standards - that's only about $1/hour if you worked full-time. Even though your business isn't very profitable, the IRS expects you to pay yourself what they'd consider a reasonable wage for the work you're doing before taking any tax-advantaged distributions. The increase to $5,000 isn't necessarily tied directly to your 22% revenue increase. Rather, your tax professional is likely trying to get your salary closer to what the IRS would consider reasonable for your industry and role to avoid potential audit flags. Distributions have a tax advantage (no self-employment tax), so the IRS watches this area closely. As for having to claim payroll when your business breaks even - yes, unfortunately. The S-corp structure's main advantage is saving on self-employment taxes, but that comes with the requirement to pay yourself a reasonable salary first, even if it means less money for other expenses.

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Amara Okafor

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Thanks for the explanation. That makes more sense, but what's considered "reasonable"? Is there a specific percentage of revenue or profit that the IRS looks for? It just seems like a big jump from $2k to $5k when the business isn't really making that much more.

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There's no fixed percentage or formula that the IRS officially publishes for what constitutes a "reasonable salary." They look at several factors: what others in your industry make for similar work, your qualifications, time commitment, business size, and payment history. For many small service-based S-corps, tax professionals often recommend anywhere from 30-60% of profits should be salary, but this varies widely. Your previous $2,000 salary was likely well below market rate for anyone running a business, which might have raised red flags. The jump to $5,000 still seems quite low for someone managing a business with $65K in revenue, which suggests your tax professional is trying to find a minimum threshold that might satisfy IRS scrutiny while recognizing your business's tight margins.

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StarStrider

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StarStrider

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Sofia Torres

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Amara Okafor

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Sofia Torres

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Ok I have to eat my words. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr myself. Within 20 minutes I was talking to an actual IRS representative about my S-corp questions. I'm still in shock that it worked. The agent confirmed what others have said - there's no fixed formula for reasonable compensation, but they look at industry standards, your qualifications, hours worked, and business conditions. She actually recommended documenting the reasons behind whatever salary I decide on, keeping notes about market rates for similar positions in my area. For the original poster's situation, the agent mentioned that very low salaries like $2,000 for anyone managing a business would likely trigger questions, regardless of profitability. Apparently they understand businesses have lean years, but expect reasonable compensation based on the value of services provided, not just on what the business can afford.

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Ava Martinez

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One approach my accountant suggested was to look at what I'd have to pay someone else to do my job. If you'd have to pay someone $30k to do the work you do in your business, that's a good benchmark for "reasonable compensation" regardless of profitability. My S-corp is slightly bigger (around $120k gross), but I take a $36k salary which is what we determined would be the replacement cost for my specialized work. I've also documented WHY this is reasonable in case of audit - job listings for similar positions, industry salary surveys, etc. The benefit of S-corps is avoiding SE tax on distributions, but you have to play by the reasonable salary rules to get that benefit. Otherwise, the IRS position is basically "if you want to take all distributions, just be a sole prop or LLC.

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Miguel Ramos

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I've heard this "replacement cost" approach too, but what about when you're wearing multiple hats? In my small S-Corp, I'm the CEO, marketing department, sales, and janitor. Should I be calculating different reasonable salaries for each role?

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Ava Martinez

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That's a great question and something I struggled with too! My accountant advised documenting the approximate percentage of time spent in each role, then calculating a blended "replacement cost." For example, if you spend 30% of time on high-level strategy (CEO work), 50% on billable service work, and 20% on admin tasks, you'd calculate what each of those roles would cost to replace, multiply by the percentage of time, and add them up. This approach acknowledges that not all your time is spent on the highest-value tasks, which helps justify a lower overall salary while still being "reasonable.

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QuantumQuasar

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Has anyone used the "minimum wage" method for establishing reasonable compensation? My CPA suggested that at minimum, I document all hours worked in the business and pay myself at least minimum wage for those hours as salary. For example, if I work 20 hours a week (1,040 hours/year) and minimum wage is $15/hour, my minimum reasonable salary would be $15,600. He said this approach works better for businesses with low profit margins, and it's easier to defend than a percentage of revenue or profit.

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The minimum wage approach can work as a starting point, but it depends on your specific situation. For highly skilled professions (doctors, lawyers, consultants, etc.), the IRS would likely challenge minimum wage as "reasonable" since the market rate for those services is much higher. However, for businesses with tight margins in less specialized fields, documenting your hours and paying at least minimum wage could be defensible - especially if you clearly document your business circumstances and why this approach makes sense for your situation. The key is having that documentation ready if questioned.

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