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Joshua Hellan

Received full refund but offset notice appeared after - how does this work?

My wife and I received our complete tax refund about 3 weeks ago, but I just noticed something weird on my transcript. An offset notification just appeared for a student loan debt that was listed on the offset line. I'm really confused since we already received the entire refund amount ($4,680) on April 10th. Does this mean they weren't quick enough to grab it before it was issued to us? I'm worried they might try to come after us for this money now. I've already called the Treasury Offset Program to try and set up a payment plan for this debt and I'm waiting for them to call me back. Anyone had something similar happen? Not sure if I should be concerned or if this is just a system glitch where the offset was processed too slowly.

So this happens sometimes when the refund is processed faster than the offset system can catch it. The IRS and Treasury Offset Program don't always sync up perfectly. What will likely happen is that you'll receive a separate bill for the debt that was supposed to be offset. Since you already reached out to TOP to arrange payment, you're doing the right thing. The offset notice appearing on your transcript after you received your refund is basically the system catching up and realizing "oh wait, we were supposed to take some of that money." I'd recommend keeping documentation of your refund amount and the date received, as well as records of your calls to set up a payment plan. In rare cases, they might try to reclaim the offset amount from a future tax refund even if you're making payments, so be prepared for that possibility.

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Thank you! That makes sense. Is there a certain timeframe where they need to bill me or can they just do it whenever?

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There's not really a strict deadline, but typically you'd receive something within 30-60 days. If you don't hear anything by then, might be worth following up with TOP directly.

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I had a similar situation last year. Took about 45 days before I got the actual bill for the offset amount. Just keep your money set aside until everything is resolved!

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Thanks for the tip - gonna keep that refund money untouched for a while then 😬

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Nothing to worry about most likely. This same thing happened to me two years ago. The systems don't talk to each other very well. I got my full refund of about $3800 and then 2 months later got a separate bill from the Treasury for the $1700 that should've been offset. Just make sure you keep on top of making a payment plan with them - they're not very forgiving if you ignore it.

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Just wanted to say im in the EXACT same situation! Got my refund of about $5,200 on March 25th, then saw an offset notice pop up on April 12th for an old student loan. Called the Treasury Offset number like 5 times with no help. I'm still waiting to see if they'll send me a bill or what.

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Glad I'm not the only one! Have you gotten any resolution yet?

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Not yet. Still waiting. Their automated system says I have a debt but no one calls me back when I request to speak to someone.

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Its definitely a timing issue. The Bureau of Fiscal Service (who handles offsets) doesn't sync in real-time with the IRS refund system. My tax preparer explained that offsets can sometimes be applied after refunds are already processed. YOU WILL get a bill from the agency you owe money to. Put that money aside now!

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What transcript are you looking at? The account transcript with all the codes or the record of account transcript? Because sometimes different ones update at different times.

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I'm looking at the account transcript. It has all the codes and dates on it.

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If you see code 898, that means an offset was processed. If you see code 846 with your full refund amount, that means your refund was issued before the offset could be processed. You'll definitely get a bill.

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Don't panic but don't spend that money either! The federal government always gets their cut eventually. They'll either send you a separate bill OR they might take it from next years refund with additional interest. I've seen both happen.

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Im a accountant and see this all the time with clients. The Treasury Offset Program runs separate from IRS refund processing. When a refund is issued before TOP can grab it, they'll send you a notice demanding payment. Usually takes 30-45 days after the refund for this to happen. You're doing the right thing by being proactive about setting up payments.

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Thank you! That's reassuring to hear. Is there anything specific I should ask for when they call me back about the payment plan?

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Ask for a payment plan with the lowest possible monthly payment. If it's a student loan debt, ask about rehabilitation options too - sometimes you can get them to remove the default status after making consistent payments.

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Check your transcript for a code 898 - that's the offset indicator. If that date is after your 846 code (refund issued), then you'll definitely get a separate bill. The good news is that if you're already setting up a payment plan, you're ahead of the game!

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Ok so the IRS processed and issued your refund faster than the TOP (Treasury Offset Program) could flag it for offset. That's actually kind of funny - the one time the IRS is TOO efficient is when they should have taken your money! 😂 Seriously though, you will definitely get a bill. The agency you owe will send you a letter demanding payment for the amount that should have been offset. This is super common with student loans and state tax debts especially.

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LOL right? The ONE time the IRS decides to be speedy 🤣

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Seriously! Fast when they need to pay me, slow when they need to take it back 😂

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Had this exact problem last year. If I can give you one piece of advice: DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. Write down the date and time of every call, who you spoke with, reference numbers, etc. The Treasury Dept sent me to collections even after I had arranged a payment plan because their systems didn't update. Having my notes saved me a huge headache.

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you got lucky! enjoy the free money while u can lol. but for real, they will bill you eventually. goverment always gets their cut 🤷‍♂️

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I was in EXACTLY this position in 2023! Got my full $3200 refund then a month later got a letter saying I owed $1400 for a student loan offset. I ignored it (big mistake). They ended up adding penalties and taking it from this year's refund plus interest. Don't be like me - deal with it now!

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Oof thanks for the warning. I'm definitely planning to set up payments as soon as they call me back.

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Let me take a wild guess... student loans? That's what happened to me too. If it's federal student loans, look into getting on an income-driven repayment plan. That might be better than just paying the offset amount, especially if you qualify for the new SAVE plan. Most people don't realize you have options beyond just paying what they demand.

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Yep student loans. I'll definitely look into the SAVE plan, thanks for the tip!

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This exact thing happened to my brother-in-law last year! The timing issue between IRS refund processing and the Treasury Offset Program is surprisingly common. What basically happened is your refund got processed and sent out before the offset could be applied - it's like two different computer systems that don't talk to each other very well. You're absolutely doing the right thing by being proactive and calling TOP to set up a payment plan. From what I've seen, they'll usually send you a formal notice within 30-60 days demanding payment for the amount that should have been offset. The key is to not ignore it when it comes. One thing to keep in mind - if this is federal student loan debt, you might want to look into getting back on a regular payment plan or income-driven repayment plan with your loan servicer rather than just paying the offset amount as a one-time thing. That way you're actually addressing the underlying debt and potentially avoiding future offsets. Keep all your documentation from the calls you make and any letters you receive. This kind of bureaucratic mix-up can sometimes lead to confusion down the road, so having good records will save you headaches later.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I hadn't thought about getting back on a regular payment plan with the loan servicer instead of just dealing with the offset. That makes a lot of sense - probably better to address the root cause rather than just react to these timing issues. Do you know if there's a difference in terms of interest rates or fees between paying through an offset vs getting back on a normal payment plan?

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Generally speaking, getting back on a regular payment plan is usually better than just dealing with offsets. With offsets, you're essentially in default status which often means higher collection fees and no control over when they take your money. A regular payment plan typically has lower or no additional fees, and you get the benefit of making consistent payments that can help your credit over time. Plus, with income-driven plans, your payment might be much lower than what they'd grab through offsets. The offset process also doesn't give you any of the protections that come with being on an active repayment plan, like deferment or forbearance options if you hit financial hardship later.

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