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Refund seized for Dept of Education loan I never had - transcript still shows refund coming today?

I'm beyond frustrated right now. Been waiting on my tax refund for months. Finally called the offset phone line yesterday and they told me Department of Education is taking my entire refund for student loans. Here's the thing - I NEVER HAD STUDENT LOANS! Not a single one. I paid for community college out of pocket years ago. The weirdest part is when I check my transcripts online, it still shows my refund is scheduled to be issued TODAY. How can they offset something and still show it coming? Anyone dealt with this bizarre situation? I've tried calling the IRS but can't get through to a human. The DoE offset line just gives me automated messages saying I owe money. I'm so confused and angry right now.

You likely have a case of identity theft. Someone may have taken out student loans in your name. This happens more than you'd think. You need to contact the Department of Education directly - not through the offset line, but their actual fraud department at 1-800-621-3115. As for why your transcript still shows a refund - there's often a delay between when an offset is processed and when your transcript updates. The system that handles offsets is separate from the one that manages your tax account transcript. Steps to take immediately: 1. Request a verification of debt letter from Dept of Education 2. Check your credit report for any loans you don't recognize 3. File an identity theft report with the FTC at IdentityTheft.gov 4. Contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 877-777-4778 if you need help resolving this with the IRS If this is indeed identity theft, you'll need to prove you aren't responsible for those loans. Keep detailed records of all communications.

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Omg thank you for this detailed response. Never even thought about identity theft!! I'm going to call that number first thing tomorrow morning.

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This happened to my sister last year. Turned out someone had used her SSN to get loans at some online school. Took months to fix but she eventually got her refund released.

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The Taxpayer Advocate Service is backed up like CRAZY right now tho. My case has been pending for 4 months with no movement...

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True about TAS being backed up, but they're still the best option for complex issues like this where multiple agencies are involved.

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definately request that verification of debt letter ASAP. That's wat got the ball rolling for me when I had a similar issue. The letter will tell you exactly when and where these supposed loans came from.

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I'd also recommend freezing your credit reports right away if you suspect identity theft. It's free and you can do it online with all three bureaus.

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This sounds like a mistake in the Treasury Offset Program (TOP). I work for a state tax agency and see this kind of thing sometimes. Here's what happened: Your SSN got mixed up with someone else's in the system. The Dept of Education flagged the wrong SSN (yours) for offset. You need to: 1. Get documentation from Dept of Education proving you never had loans 2. File Form 8379 (Injured Spouse Allocation) with the IRS 3. Submit a complaint to TOP directly at fiscal.treasury.gov In the meantime, keep checking your transcript. That refund date might just be what was ORIGINALLY scheduled before the offset was processed.

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Form 8379 is for married folks with joint returns where one spouse has debts. OP doesn't mention a spouse so that might not apply here.

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You're right - I meant Form 13711 (Request for Return of Offset Funds). My mistake!

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Can confirm the TOP complaint process works. Had a similar issue with state tax debt I never owed and finally got my refund after filing a complaint.

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lol welcome to the IRS nightmare. they took my refund last year for "unpaid taxes" that I definitely paid and it took 9 months to get it back. the system is so broken 🤡

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Just a heads up - be super careful about this. There's a scam going around where people get fake calls saying their refund is being offset for student loans and then they ask for payment to "release" the refund. Make sure you're only contacting official government numbers.

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I actually called the official Treasury offset number (1-800-304-3107) so I know the offset is real 😫 But thanks for the warning!!

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Good that you called the official number. So many scams these days targeting people waiting on refunds.

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This EXACT thing happened to me in November! Department of Ed claimed I had defaulted loans from a college I never attended. Turns out someone with a similar name and SSN (off by one digit) was the actual borrower. It took me calling the Default Resolution Group directly at 1-800-621-3115 to get it straightened out. They have a process for this called "misidentification" and you'll need to fill out an affidavit. The weirdest part was my transcript also showed the refund still coming AFTER I got the offset notice. That's just a system glitch because the two systems don't talk to each other fast enough.

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Thank you!! I'll try calling them tomorrow. Did you eventually get your refund back?

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Yes! It took about 6 weeks after I submitted all the paperwork, but I got the full amount back. Just be prepared to provide a ton of documentation proving you're not the person who took out the loans.

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Wow how does the govt mix up SSNs that are off by one digit?? Isn't that literally their whole job to keep track of those correctly? 🤦‍♀️

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Did you go to college at all? Sometimes people don't realize they had federal grants that can convert to loans if you dropped out or didn't complete enough credits. Worth checking the National Student Loan Data System at studentaid.gov to see if anything pops up under your name.

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I went to community college for 2 semesters but paid cash. Never took financial aid of any kind. I'll check that website though, thanks for the tip!

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Went thru this nightmare last year. Don't waste time with the IRS - they'll just tell you to talk to Dept of Education. And don't waste time with the regular ED number - you need to specifically ask for the Default Resolution Group. They handle disputed loans and can help you figure out if this is identity theft or a clerical error.

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The transcript showing a refund date doesn't mean much unfortunately. My transcript showed a refund date for MONTHS after an offset took it all. The IRS computers are ancient and don't update properly between departments. Your best bet is getting documentation from DoE showing you never had loans and then fighting it from there.

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100% this ⬆️ The IRS systems are from like 1982 or something ridiculous. Different departments literally can't see each others actions sometimes.

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did you have to provide personal info? seems risky with ID theft already being an issue

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I had a friend who went thru this exact thing! Dept of Ed was claiming she owed like $27k in loans she never took out. Turned out someone had stolen her identity years ago and taken out loans in her name. She had to file a police report, submit an identity theft affidavit, get her credit reports, and work with both the IRS and Dept of Ed to fix it. Took about 3 months but she eventually got her full refund.

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The fact that you can see the refund date on your transcript is actually a good sign. It means the offset probably hasn't fully processed yet. You might need to act fast though. Call the Borrower Defense Hotline at the Department of Education (855-279-6207) and explain you never had student loans. They deal with disputes and can put a hold on the offset while they investigate.

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Thank you for the number!! I'll add it to my list of calls to make tomorrow. This is so stressful 😣

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The TOP (Treasury Offset Program) has been a MESS this year. So many incorrect offsets happening. If you can't get through on the phone, try sending a fax (yes, they still use fax machines 🙄) to the Dept of Education at 903-454-5317 with your info and a statement explaining you never had student loans. Sometimes that gets faster results than calling.

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Pro tip: Request a "Request for Review" form from the Department of Education. This formally disputes the debt and forces them to prove you actually owe it (which you don't). Also, file IRS Form 14039 (Identity Theft Affidavit) ASAP if you think this might be ID theft.

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This is definitely frustrating! I've seen this exact scenario before and it's usually one of two things: either identity theft (someone used your SSN for loans) or a database error where your SSN got mixed up with someone else's. The fact that your transcript still shows a refund date is actually important - it means there might be a delay in the system updating, or the offset might not be fully processed yet. Sometimes these systems don't communicate in real-time. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: 1. Call the Department of Education's Default Resolution Group at 1-800-621-3115 (not the regular customer service line) 2. Request a "verification of debt" letter - they have to prove you actually owe this money 3. Check your credit report for any student loans you don't recognize 4. File Form 14039 (Identity Theft Affidavit) with the IRS if this turns out to be identity theft Also, pull your records from the National Student Loan Data System at studentaid.gov to see if anything shows up under your name that you don't recognize. Don't give up - incorrect offsets happen more than they should, and you have rights to dispute this. Keep detailed records of every call and document everything. If this is a mistake (which it sounds like it is), you will get your refund back, but it might take some time to sort out.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm going to start with calling that Default Resolution Group number first thing tomorrow. The verification of debt letter sounds like exactly what I need to get to the bottom of this. I never even thought to check the National Student Loan Data System - that's a great idea. I'm hoping this is just a database mixup and not actual identity theft, but either way I need to get it sorted out ASAP. Really appreciate you laying out all the steps so clearly!

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I went through something very similar about 6 months ago - it's incredibly frustrating but you're not alone in this! The good news is that these kinds of errors are fixable, even though the process can be slow. A few things that helped me get through this faster: First, when you call the Department of Education Default Resolution Group (the 1-800-621-3115 number others mentioned), ask them to put a "dispute flag" on your account immediately. This can sometimes halt further collection actions while they investigate. Second, document EVERYTHING. Take screenshots of your transcript showing the refund date, save recordings of automated messages if possible, and keep notes of every phone call with dates and who you spoke to. Third, consider reaching out to your congressperson's office if you hit roadblocks. They have dedicated staff who deal with federal agency issues and can sometimes cut through red tape faster than going through normal channels. The transcript still showing your refund date is actually encouraging - in my case, that meant the systems hadn't fully synced yet and there was still time to stop the process. Don't lose hope! These bureaucratic nightmares do get resolved eventually, and you'll get your money back if this is indeed an error (which it sounds like it is). Hang in there and keep fighting! 💪

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