Do I have to use up $3k in capital loss carried forward if I have zero income?
I'm a foreign national who accumulated some short-term capital losses when I was a US tax resident last year. Those losses got carried forward to this year. For 2024, I'm a non-resident with absolutely no US source income. I'm still filing Form 1040NR just to carry forward these capital losses. My original plan was to save these carried forward losses to offset future taxes and penalties when I eventually withdraw from my IRA and HSA accounts. However, as I'm preparing my taxes now, I notice the software is automatically using $3,000 of my carried forward loss and showing my net income as negative $3,000. Is this normal? Looking at Schedule D line 21, it seems like I'm forced to "use up" $3,000 of my carried forward loss even though I don't have any income to offset. Is there any strategy or workaround to carry forward the entire amount without wasting $3,000 of it this year? I'd hate to lose this tax benefit when I'm not even generating any US income.
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Ava Martinez
This is actually a common situation for non-residents with carried forward capital losses. The IRS rule is pretty inflexible here - you're required to deduct up to $3,000 of capital losses against ordinary income each year ($1,500 if married filing separately), regardless of whether you have income or not. Schedule D does indeed force you to use that $3,000 deduction even when you don't have income to offset. Unfortunately, there's no workaround or election you can make to preserve the full capital loss for future years if you're filing a return. Your only potential strategy would be to not file a return for a year when you have no filing requirement (no US source income). However, this creates its own problems since you need to maintain continuity in reporting your capital loss carryovers. If you skip filing, you might have difficulty documenting your loss carryforward when you file again in the future.
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Miguel Ramos
•But if OP doesn't file a return because they have no US source income, wouldn't the carried losses just remain intact until they file again? Can the IRS even know those losses exist if no return is filed for the year?
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Ava Martinez
•The capital losses would technically remain intact if no return is filed. However, the challenge comes when filing in a future year - you'll need to document the continuity of those losses from the last filed return to the current one. The IRS doesn't automatically "know" about carried losses if you don't file, but when you do file again and claim those losses, you'll need to prove they were properly carried forward from year to year. Skipping years creates documentation gaps that could trigger questions during an audit.
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QuantumQuasar
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Zainab Omar
•Does taxr.ai actually help with understanding tax forms? My situation is similar to OP's but I also have some rental income from a US property while living overseas. Not sure if regular tax software knows how to handle this complexity.
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Connor Gallagher
•I'm skeptical... how exactly would a service help with what seems like a straightforward IRS rule? The $3k deduction requirement seems pretty clear cut from what the expert said above.
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QuantumQuasar
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Zainab Omar
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Keisha Johnson
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Connor Gallagher
•This sounds like a scam. Nobody can "skip the line" with the IRS. I've spent literal hours on hold and that's just how it is. No way some service can magically get you through.
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Connor Gallagher
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Paolo Longo
You might want to look into whether you have a filing requirement at all. If you have no US source income as a non-resident alien, you generally don't need to file Form 1040NR. By filing voluntarily just to "maintain" your capital loss, you're actually hurting yourself by using up $3k of it.
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Dmitry Sokolov
•I was worried about exactly that! If I don't file this year, would I just be able to pick up where I left off when I do have US income in a future year? Or would the IRS say I "lost" my carried forward losses by not filing continuously?
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Paolo Longo
•If you have no filing requirement (which appears to be your case with zero US source income), then not filing wouldn't cause you to lose your capital loss carryforward. The key is maintaining good records. When you eventually file again in a future year when you have US income, you'll need to document the continuity of your losses. Keep copies of your last filed return showing the capital loss carryforward, and be prepared to explain the gap years where you had no filing requirement. This may require attaching a statement to your future return explaining the carryforward calculation from the last filed year.
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Dmitry Sokolov
•I was worried about exactly that! If I don't file this year, would I just be able to pick up where I left off when I do have US income in a future year? Or would the IRS say I
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CosmicCowboy
Has anyone else dealt with capital loss carryforwards while living outside the US? Im in a similar situation with losses from 2023 stock sales, but im also wondering if the standard deduction comes into play here at all?
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Amina Diallo
•The standard deduction only applies to residents or certain non-residents from Canada, Mexico, and a few other countries with specific tax treaties. As a general rule, most non-resident aliens can't claim the standard deduction on Form 1040NR.
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Dylan Hughes
I've been through a similar situation as a non-resident with capital loss carryforwards. One thing to consider is that if you truly have no US source income and no filing requirement, you might want to skip filing the 1040NR this year to preserve your full $3,000+ in losses. The key issue many people miss is documentation. If you decide not to file this year, make sure you maintain detailed records of your last filed return that shows the capital loss carryforward amount. When you eventually have US income again (from IRA/HSA withdrawals as you mentioned), you can pick up the carryforward from your last filed return. I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in non-resident tax issues before making this decision, since the stakes are high with preserving those losses for when you actually need them. The $3,000 you'd "waste" this year could be valuable when you're dealing with early withdrawal penalties later.
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Aisha Mahmood
•This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the documentation aspect - when you say "maintain detailed records," what specifically should someone keep beyond just the last filed return? Should there be any kind of written statement explaining the gap years, or is the previous return showing the carryforward amount sufficient proof for the IRS when you file again years later?
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