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Quick tip that nobody mentioned yet - if you use any of the major banks like Chase, Bank of America, etc., many of them have a direct link to IRS Free File in their online banking portals now. I found it under "Tax Services" in my online banking menu. Made submitting my 4868 super easy and I didn't have to create a separate account.
Oh really? I have Chase but never noticed that option. Is it something I can find on the mobile app or do I need to login through the website? Also, does it cost anything extra to use it through the bank portal?
You'll need to login through the website, not the mobile app (at least that was my experience). Look under "Tax Services" or sometimes "Additional Services" in the menu. It doesn't cost anything extra - it's basically just a link that takes you to the IRS Free File service, but it sometimes will auto-fill some of your basic info which saves a step.
Important reminder that Form 4868 only extends your TIME TO FILE, not your TIME TO PAY!! If you owe money, you still need to pay by the original deadline or you'll get hit with penalties and interest. I learned this the hard way last year and ended up owing an extra $320 in penalties. š
How do you even estimate what you owe if you haven't done your taxes yet? That's what's confusing me about the whole extension process.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - even if $60k is reasonable now, you should review your salary annually. As your business grows or your duties expand, what's "reasonable" will likely change. I typically document my salary decision process every year with: 1) Updated market rate research for similar positions 2) Notes on changes to my responsibilities/hours 3) Business performance metrics 4) Comparison to what I'd pay someone else for the same work This annual review habit has saved me twice during IRS questions about my S-Corp compensation. They were satisfied when I showed my systematic approach.
Does the timing of salary changes matter? Like if I start with $60k in January but business is booming by June, should I give myself a mid-year raise or wait until the following year?
Yes, you can absolutely give yourself a mid-year raise if circumstances warrant it. Many S-Corp owners adjust their salaries as the year progresses and business performance becomes clearer. Just document your reasoning thoroughly - note the increased business performance, expanded responsibilities, or whatever factors led to the adjustment. What the IRS doesn't like to see is erratic salary patterns that appear to be manipulating payroll taxes rather than reflecting actual changes in the business. For example, artificially keeping salary low all year then taking a massive "bonus" in December looks suspicious. A clean mid-year adjustment with clear business justification is perfectly acceptable.
My accountant gave me a simple formula for S-Corps that might help you. She said take 1/3 of your business net profit as salary (minimum), keep 1/3 for reinvestment/business growth, and the remaining 1/3 can be distribution. So if your business nets $180k, a $60k salary would be right at that minimum threshold. I've done this for 5 years now and never been questioned about reasonable compensation. Obviously it's not a hard rule that works for everyone, but it's a starting point that seems to keep the IRS satisfied in my experience.
Is that 1/3 of profit BEFORE or AFTER your salary is deducted? Because that makes a huge difference in the calculation.
For self-employment income, I actually recommend checking out FreeTaxUSA. I've used it for the past 4 years with my consulting business and it handles Schedule C perfectly well. The federal return is free and state is only like $15. TurboTax wanted to charge me $170 for basically the same thing! The interface isn't quite as slick as TurboTax, but it's totally functional and asks all the right questions about business expenses, home office, etc. Plus they have decent customer support if you get stuck on something.
Does FreeTaxUSA handle multiple 1099s well? I have like 8 different clients who sent me 1099-NECs this year.
Absolutely! I had 12 different 1099-NECs last year and FreeTaxUSA handled them with no problem. You can enter them all individually or combine them on your Schedule C - it gives you both options. The software also lets you categorize different types of income if you have multiple business activities, which was really helpful for me since I do both consulting and some product sales.
has anyone compared the accuracy between different software options? i did a test last year where i input identical info into turbotax and hr block and got different refund amounts which freaked me out!!! eventually figured out hr block missed a self employment deduction that turbotax caught.
Just to add some clarity on the original question - besides not needing Form 940, you also don't need to file Form 941 (quarterly employment tax returns) either since you don't have employees and aren't on payroll yourselves. What you DO need to focus on is paying your self-employment taxes through your personal tax return (Schedule SE). Since you mentioned it's just you and your husband taking money from the business to live on, those are considered "draws" not wages, and you'll pay self-employment tax (15.3%) on your net business income. Make sure you're setting aside enough for those taxes - they can be a shock if you're not prepared!
Is there any advantage to them putting themselves on actual payroll instead of just taking draws? I've heard something about S-corps saving on self-employment taxes but I'm fuzzy on the details.
There can be significant tax advantages to electing S-corporation status and putting yourself on payroll, but it comes with more complexity and costs. With an S-corp, you can pay yourself a "reasonable salary" subject to employment taxes, then take additional money as distributions that aren't subject to self-employment tax. This can save thousands in self-employment taxes depending on your profit level, but you'll have additional costs: payroll processing, employment tax filings (including Forms 940 and 941), workers' comp insurance, and additional accounting complexity. Generally, businesses making $40,000+ in profit might benefit from this structure, but it's very situation-dependent and requires professional guidance to do correctly.
As someone who's been in the cleaning business for 10+ years, I'd suggest focusing on your business growth now and not worrying about complicated tax strategies like S-corps yet. In the beginning, the simplicity of partnership taxation (which is what your LLC has by default) outweighs the potential tax savings. Just make sure you're tracking all your legitimate business expenses - cleaning supplies, equipment, vehicle mileage, home office deduction if applicable, insurance, marketing costs, etc. These deductions will reduce your taxable income and self-employment taxes.
Mason Lopez
Just pointing out that the IRS rules for claiming a qualifying child are pretty specific. For you to claim the child, they need to have lived with you for more than half the year, be related to you, be under 19 (or 24 if a student), not provide more than half of their own support, and not be filing a joint return. The custodial parent usually has the right to claim the child, but can release that claim to the non-custodial parent using Form 8332. Check if you have any written agreements about who claims the child in your divorce paperwork.
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Pedro Sawyer
ā¢Our daughter lives with me about 70% of the time, and I'm the custodial parent according to our divorce decree. My ex was supposed to claim her last year because we verbally agreed to alternate years, but apparently he never did. We don't have anything formal like Form 8332 filed. Does that mean I should definitely file the amendment then?
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Mason Lopez
ā¢Yes, you should definitely file the amendment. Since you're the custodial parent with the child living with you 70% of the time, and you didn't sign Form 8332 to release the claim, you have the legal right to claim your daughter as a dependent. Without Form 8332, a non-custodial parent cannot claim the child regardless of verbal agreements. The IRS follows the documentation, not verbal agreements between parents. You're potentially leaving significant money on the table by not claiming her, especially with the expanded Child Tax Credit.
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Vera Visnjic
Has anyone used TurboTax to file an amended return for something like this? Is it pretty straightforward or should I go to an actual accountant? I'm in a similar situation with my kid.
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Jake Sinclair
ā¢I used TurboTax to amend my return last year when I forgot to claim my son's college expenses. It was surprisingly easy - you just start an amended return and it walks you through what you want to change. For something like adding a dependent, it should recalculate everything including any credits you might be eligible for.
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