Form 940 Filing Help for Small Business Owners Without Employees
Hey all, my husband and I started a small cleaning business here in Missouri back in August. We provide both residential and commercial cleaning services. The business is just the two of us - we're the owners and we do all the work ourselves. No employees. I'm trying to figure out if we need to file Form 940 (FUTA Tax Return) by the end of this month. Since it's just us as owners who perform all the services, are we considered "employees" for this form? We don't have any actual employees besides ourselves. We also don't have any formal salary structure since we're just getting started. Basically, whatever money comes in, we use it to pay our bills, put food on the table, and reinvest in cleaning supplies and equipment. I'm confused about whether Form 940 applies to our situation since we're the owners doing the work. Any guidance would be really appreciated!
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Omar Fawaz
You don't need to worry about Form 940 in your situation. Form 940 is for federal unemployment taxes (FUTA), which only applies when you have employees who aren't owners. Since you and your husband are the owners of the business and you don't have any other employees, you're not subject to FUTA tax. As owners, you're not considered "employees" for FUTA purposes. The way you're operating sounds like a partnership (if you haven't formally organized as something else). Partners in a partnership report their income on Schedule K-1 and pay self-employment tax through Schedule SE with their personal tax returns. The fact that you don't have set wages and just take draws from the business further confirms you're operating as owner-operators, not as employees of your own company.
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Freya Thomsen
•Thanks for explaining! That makes sense. We're actually set up as an LLC, but we haven't elected to be taxed as an S-Corp or anything. Does that change anything about the Form 940 requirement?
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Omar Fawaz
•No, being an LLC doesn't change the Form 940 requirement. If your LLC hasn't elected to be taxed as an S-Corporation, then for tax purposes, you're either treated as a sole proprietorship (single-member LLC) or a partnership (multi-member LLC) by default. In either case, you and your husband are still considered self-employed owners, not employees. If you ever decide to elect S-Corporation status for your LLC, things would change. As S-Corp owner-operators, you would need to put yourselves on payroll as actual employees and pay yourselves reasonable salaries, which would then subject you to employment taxes including potentially FUTA. But for now, no Form 940 is needed.
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Luca Esposito
Just to add some clarity on the original question - besides not needing Form 940, you also don't need to file Form 941 (quarterly employment tax returns) either since you don't have employees and aren't on payroll yourselves. What you DO need to focus on is paying your self-employment taxes through your personal tax return (Schedule SE). Since you mentioned it's just you and your husband taking money from the business to live on, those are considered "draws" not wages, and you'll pay self-employment tax (15.3%) on your net business income. Make sure you're setting aside enough for those taxes - they can be a shock if you're not prepared!
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Nia Thompson
•Is there any advantage to them putting themselves on actual payroll instead of just taking draws? I've heard something about S-corps saving on self-employment taxes but I'm fuzzy on the details.
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Luca Esposito
•There can be significant tax advantages to electing S-corporation status and putting yourself on payroll, but it comes with more complexity and costs. With an S-corp, you can pay yourself a "reasonable salary" subject to employment taxes, then take additional money as distributions that aren't subject to self-employment tax. This can save thousands in self-employment taxes depending on your profit level, but you'll have additional costs: payroll processing, employment tax filings (including Forms 940 and 941), workers' comp insurance, and additional accounting complexity. Generally, businesses making $40,000+ in profit might benefit from this structure, but it's very situation-dependent and requires professional guidance to do correctly.
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Mateo Rodriguez
As someone who's been in the cleaning business for 10+ years, I'd suggest focusing on your business growth now and not worrying about complicated tax strategies like S-corps yet. In the beginning, the simplicity of partnership taxation (which is what your LLC has by default) outweighs the potential tax savings. Just make sure you're tracking all your legitimate business expenses - cleaning supplies, equipment, vehicle mileage, home office deduction if applicable, insurance, marketing costs, etc. These deductions will reduce your taxable income and self-employment taxes.
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Freya Thomsen
•Thanks for the practical advice! We're definitely keeping track of all our expenses. Is there anything specific to the cleaning business that people commonly miss as legitimate deductions? We're currently using our personal cars to get to jobs.
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