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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if your husband is a W-2 employee and the company isn't reporting the stipend on his W-2, they're actually breaking tax law. Is there a reason they're not including it? Some companies try to "help" employees by not reporting certain payments, but this can create bigger problems down the road if you get audited. If the stipend is truly meant to reimburse business expenses, the company should have what's called an "accountable plan" where your husband submits documentation of business expenses and gets reimbursed. Those reimbursements wouldn't be taxable. But a flat stipend without documentation requirements is considered taxable income by the IRS. I'd talk to the employer about this first before trying to get creative with your tax return. They might not realize they're handling it incorrectly.
Thank you for this perspective. My husband's company is pretty small (only 15 employees) and I think they're just not sophisticated with their accounting. When I asked him about it, he said they just direct deposit this extra amount every month with a note saying "travel" and have never asked for any kind of documentation. Should he just start tracking his miles anyway even if they don't require it?
Yes, he should absolutely start tracking his miles regardless of what the company requires. Use an app or a mileage log that records the date, business purpose, starting point, destination, and total miles for each business trip. This documentation will be invaluable if you're ever audited. With a small company, it's worth having a conversation with whoever handles payroll. They might genuinely not know the proper way to handle this. Many small businesses try to help employees with these stipends without realizing they're creating tax problems. You could suggest they implement a simple accountable plan where employees submit mileage logs monthly. This would make the stipend non-taxable when handled correctly, which benefits both the employee and employer (they wouldn't have to pay payroll taxes on properly documented reimbursements).
Late to the conversation but wanted to add that you actually CAN deduct car payments if you're self-employed and use the actual expense method instead of the standard mileage rate. You'd need to track the business use percentage and apply that to your car expenses. If he's using the car 80% for business, you could deduct 80% of the interest on the car loan (not the principal), 80% of gas, insurance, repairs, etc. OR you could take the standard mileage rate which is simpler but might be less depending on your car's actual expenses.
That's not entirely correct. You can't deduct both the standard mileage rate AND car payments. You have to choose one method - either standard mileage OR actual expenses. And with actual expenses, you can only deduct the interest portion of the car payment, not the principal, plus depreciation. And once you choose actual expenses for a leased vehicle, you have to use that method for the life of the vehicle.
My accountant told me the easiest solution is just to write "mortgage reimbursement" in the notes section of the payment app whenever you send money. That way there's a clear record of what the payment was for if questions ever come up. Also, some people in similar situations set up automatic transfers from their bank account to their partner's account instead of using payment apps, which avoids the whole 1099-K reporting situation entirely.
Thanks for the suggestion! Do you know if bank-to-bank transfers also fall under this $600 reporting threshold, or is that just for payment apps?
Bank-to-bank transfers don't fall under the same $600 reporting requirements that apply to payment apps. Those rules specifically target third-party payment networks like PayPal, Venmo, etc. Regular transfers between bank accounts aren't subject to 1099-K reporting regardless of the amount. This is why some people prefer setting up direct transfers for recurring payments like rent or mortgage sharing. It's more straightforward from a tax perspective since there's no confusion about whether it's a business or personal transaction.
Maybe a dumb question but has anyone tried just sending multiple smaller payments under $600 instead of one large one? Like if you owe $1200, sending two $600 payments?
That's called "structuring" and it's actually illegal if you're doing it specifically to avoid reporting requirements. Not worth the risk just to avoid something that isn't even taxable in the first place.
Check with your employer if they can provide you with a letter stating that the move was necessary for your job. Sometimes even though you can't deduct the expenses directly with Form 3853 anymore, you might qualify for other deductions if the move directly relates to your business or employment activities. Also, keep all your receipts organized just in case the tax laws change again. There's been some talk about possibly bringing back some of these deductions in future tax years.
My employer actually did give me a letter saying the move was required for the position! Would that help with any other deductions you know about? And do you think there's any chance they'll bring back the moving expense deduction in time for this tax season?
The letter from your employer could potentially help if any of your expenses could be categorized as unreimbursed employee business expenses. Unfortunately, for most people, these aren't directly deductible either since 2018, but there are exceptions for certain qualified performing artists, fee-basis state or local government officials, and armed forces reservists. As for bringing back the moving expense deduction, it won't happen for this tax season. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act provisions that eliminated this deduction are in effect through 2025. Any changes would likely come after that, when Congress reviews the expiring provisions. So definitely keep your documentation, but don't expect to use Form 3853 as a non-military taxpayer for at least a few more years.
i had the same issue with form 3853 on turbotax last year!!! try using freetaxusa instead. not sayin theyll let u deduct it (cuz of the tax law change other ppl mentioned) but their interface explains things WAY better than turbotax does and doesnt try to upsell u every 5 mins. also fyi - if ur company required u to move for work and didnt reimburse u, they really should have. most companies will cover relo expenses cuz they know its not tax deductible anymore. might be worth asking ur HR dept if theres any relo assistance even after the fact!
I second the FreeTaxUSA recommendation! Been using them for years after getting fed up with TurboTax's constant upselling. Much clearer explanations about which forms you can and can't use. They won't be able to magically make Form 3853 available to non-military folks, but at least they'll explain WHY in plain English.
Did your friend happen to mention if their school was religiously affiliated? Some religious organizations allow you to structure tuition as a "donation" to the church with a scholarship back to your child. Then you deduct the donation. My sister does this with her kids' Catholic school. Not sure if it's totally legit though...
That donation approach sounds super sketchy and likely illegal if audited. The IRS specifically looks for these kinds of arrangements. If you make a donation with the understanding that your child receives a direct benefit (like reduced tuition), it's not a legitimate charitable donation for tax purposes.
Maybe they were talking about a dependent care FSA? If your kid is under 13, you can use a dependent care FSA to pay for before and after school programs (but not regular tuition) with pre-tax dollars. Up to $5,000 per year for married filing jointly. You mentioned this wasn't what they were referring to, but thought I'd throw it out there in case it helps someone else reading this.
StardustSeeker
Just wanted to add something important that nobody has mentioned yet. If you do file late and end up owing money, you might want to look into an IRS payment plan. They'll usually work with you, especially if you've been filing and paying on time since then. The online payment agreement on IRS.gov is pretty easy to set up. Also, definitely keep copies of EVERYTHING - your wage transcript, the Form 4852, any communications with the IRS, and your filed return. You might need to reference them later, especially if questions come up about that tax year.
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Sofia Martinez
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! Do you know if setting up a payment plan affects your credit score? And is there a minimum amount I have to pay monthly or can I set it to whatever I can afford?
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StardustSeeker
ā¢Setting up an IRS payment plan generally doesn't directly affect your credit score - the IRS doesn't report to credit bureaus like a normal lender would. However, if you fail to pay and the IRS files a tax lien, that WILL hurt your credit. So the payment plan actually helps protect your credit by preventing more serious collection actions. For monthly payment amounts, it depends on how much you owe. For debts under $10,000, you can pretty much set your own monthly payment as long as you can pay off the full amount within 3 years. For larger amounts, the IRS may want financial information to determine what you can afford. They're surprisingly reasonable about this - they'd rather get paid slowly than not at all.
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Paolo Marino
I'm surprised nobody mentioned checking your Social Security earnings record! Go to ssa.gov and create an account if you don't have one. Your earnings history will show how much was reported to Social Security for each year, including 2017. It won't have tax withholding info, but at least you'll know the total wages that were reported for you that year. That can be super helpful when filling out Form 4852.
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Amina Bah
ā¢This is actually brilliant advice. I had a similar situation (though not as old) and the Social Security earnings record was spot on. Combined with the IRS transcript it gave me everything I needed!
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