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One thing nobody's mentioned that you should consider - make sure you're documenting this transaction properly. My family did something similar and years later the IRS questioned whether it was a legitimate loan vs. a gift of the entire property amount. You should: 1. Have a properly drafted promissory note or deed contract 2. Set a fixed repayment schedule 3. Keep records of all payments 4. Make sure the loan is secured by the property 5. Have the document properly recorded where required by local law The fact that it's a legitimate transaction with regular payments will help establish that it's a true loan, despite the 0% interest rate.
This is really helpful advice. Should we get an attorney involved to draft the documents properly? Is there anything specific we should include in the promissory note to make it clear this is a legitimate loan transaction?
Yes, I would definitely recommend having an attorney draft or at least review your documents. The cost of legal help upfront is much less than dealing with IRS issues later. Make sure your promissory note includes all standard loan terms - principal amount, payment schedule, consequences for default, security interest in the property, etc. Even though there's no interest, everything else should look like a standard loan. Also include language acknowledging that both parties understand there may be imputed interest for tax purposes. Having your uncles keep a payment ledger showing receipt of your payments provides additional documentation of the loan's legitimacy.
Has anyone mentioned the possible income tax deduction for you? If this is investment property producing income, you might be able to deduct the imputed interest as an investment interest expense, even though you're not actually paying it. Might want to look into that angle too.
Don't feel bad! I've been in tax for 7 years and international issues still trip me up sometimes. What helped me was finding a mentor who specifically worked with expatriate tax issues. Have you tried asking if there's someone at your firm who would be willing to have brief pre-review sessions with you? Sometimes catching mistakes before formal submission can help you learn faster without the embarrassment of official review notes.
That's a good suggestion. There's a senior manager who seems approachable - maybe I could ask her if she'd be willing to do quick pre-reviews for me on the more complex returns. Did you find your mentor within your firm or through a professional organization?
I found my mentor within my firm initially, but I also connected with another experienced expatriate tax professional through our local CPA society's international tax committee. Professional organizations like that are goldmines for finding people who are willing to help. My in-firm mentor would spend 15 minutes with me before I submitted anything complex, which cut my review notes down dramatically. The external mentor was great for bigger-picture career advice. Don't underestimate how willing people are to help someone who shows genuine interest in improving!
Has anyone tried supplementing their knowledge with specialized training? I found that the general CPE courses don't really cover expatriate taxation in enough detail to be useful.
I've been using Credit Karma Tax (now Cash App Taxes) for the last three years and it's completely free for federal and state. It handles my moderately complex return fine (W2, mortgage interest, some investments, HSA contributions). The interface isn't as hand-holdy as TurboTax but if you generally know what forms you need, it's great. Zero upsells since it's totally free.
Do they handle Schedule C for small businesses? I have a side hustle selling crafts online and I'm trying to file properly without spending a fortune.
Yes, they do handle Schedule C for small businesses and side hustles. I actually started using them when I had a small consulting gig on the side. It covers all the common business deductions and expenses. The interface for business income isn't quite as polished as TurboTax's, but again, completely free is hard to beat. If you have inventory for your crafts business though, just be aware you'll need to understand the basics of how to track that yourself - this is true of most DIY tax software.
I actually still use a local CPA for my taxes and it's worth every penny. Costs me $350 but he's saved me thousands over the years by catching things I'd miss and giving me year-round tax planning advice. If your situation is getting more complex with that side gig, might be worth considering. My guy answers questions all year without charging extra.
That's interesting - I've always been hesitant about the cost of a CPA, but I never thought about the year-round advice aspect. How did you find your CPA? And did you interview multiple people before choosing?
From my understanding, the IRS might view this differently than just normal gifts back and forth. When you transfer property to avoid creditors and then get it back later, they could potentially see this as you maintaining beneficial ownership the entire time (meaning you never really gave up ownership in substance, just on paper). If that's how they interpret it, your basis would still be your original purchase price plus improvements. But there could be other issues to consider beyond just basis calculation.
Thanks for this perspective. I'm worried the IRS might see it that way too. Do you think I should consult with a tax attorney before selling? I'm concerned about potential penalties beyond just calculating the basis wrong.
Consulting with a tax attorney would definitely be a good idea in your situation. They can review the specific details of your transfers and advise you not just on the correct basis calculation but also on any potential exposure you might have regarding the transfers themselves. A good tax attorney can also help you understand the statute of limitations that might apply to your situation and develop a strategy for how to properly document and report the sale to minimize your risk of problems down the road. The peace of mind alone is probably worth the consultation fee.
Has anyone considered the possible gift tax implications of these transfers? When the property was transferred to the mother and then back again, were gift tax returns filed? That could affect how the IRS views the basis.
Kingston Bellamy
One thing nobody's mentioned - be sure to make your first payment on time even if you don't have official confirmation yet! If you set up a payment plan through TurboTax, they should have given you payment information including the amount and due date for your first payment. Stick to that schedule. Missing your first payment could void your entire payment plan, even if the plan itself hasn't been officially confirmed by the IRS yet. This happened to my brother last year and it was a nightmare to fix.
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Amy Fleming
ā¢That's a really good point I hadn't considered. My first payment is supposed to be due on May 15th according to what I set up in TurboTax. Should I just go ahead and make that payment to the IRS directly if I still don't have confirmation by then?
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Kingston Bellamy
ā¢Yes, absolutely make that May 15th payment even without official confirmation. You can pay directly through the IRS Direct Pay system on their website - just make sure to select the correct tax year and payment type (installment agreement). This way you're covered no matter what. If your payment plan is already in their system, the payment will be correctly applied to it. If there was some glitch and the plan wasn't properly set up, you've still made a payment toward your tax debt before any serious penalties kick in.
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Joy Olmedo
Has anyone ever had a payment plan completely disappear? Like, you set it up through TurboTax but the IRS has no record of it? I'm worried this might happen to me too.
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Isaiah Cross
ā¢It happened to me once! Turned out TurboTax had a transmission error with that part of my return. I had to call the IRS and set up the payment plan directly with them. They were actually pretty understanding about it and didn't charge me any late fees since I could prove I tried to set it up on time.
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