


Ask the community...
Former Liberty Tax preparer here. At our office, we would definitely fix this mistake at no cost, but refunds were on a case-by-case basis. Typically, we'd offer 15-20% refund for inconvenience on something like a name error that's relatively simple to fix but still requires an amendment. $675 sounds about right for a business return depending on complexity and your location. If you had multiple schedules, rental properties, or depreciation schedules, that's actually reasonable. Make sure the amendment is filed via certified mail so you have proof of submission. Also get written confirmation that they're waiving any amendment fees. If they give you any trouble, ask to speak with the franchise owner directly - they have more authority than the preparers or managers.
Is it normal for tax preparers to charge so much? I've been filing my S-Corp taxes with TurboTax for $170. Am I missing something by not using a professional?
It depends entirely on your business complexity and comfort level with tax regulations. TurboTax works well for straightforward businesses with minimal special situations. Where professionals provide value is with tax planning, specialized deductions, complex allocations, and having someone to represent you if questions arise. If you're confident in your understanding of business tax rules and your return is relatively straightforward, software might be sufficient. But many business owners find professionals help identify deductions and planning opportunities that more than offset their fees. Also, having representation during notices or audits can be invaluable for complex business structures.
I had almost the exact same issue with HR Block last year. They transposed digits in my EIN and it was a nightmare to fix. Here's what worked for me: 1) Document EVERYTHING including all communications 2) Be polite but FIRM - ask to speak with the office manager immediately 3) Request they cover all costs for the amendment AND provide a 50% refund for the inconvenience 4) If they refuse, mention that you'll be filing complaints with: - Better Business Bureau - Your state's accountancy board - Corporate headquarters customer service - Social media reviews They initially offered just a free amendment but bumped it to a 30% refund when I mentioned these steps. The key is staying calm but being absolutely clear that their error is costing you time and potential penalties.
Do you think its worth getting a lawyer involved? My cousin is an attorney and said I could have him send a letter for free.
In my experience, involving a lawyer should be your absolute last resort, not your first step. A strongly worded attorney letter might get immediate attention, but it also immediately creates an adversarial relationship that can make an amicable resolution harder. I'd recommend following the escalation chain first - preparer ā office manager ā corporate customer service. Most tax preparation chains have established protocols for handling errors and want to preserve their reputation. Save the legal approach for if they flatly refuse to address the issue after you've exhausted normal channels. Even a free lawyer letter from your cousin changes the dynamic significantly.
Our company faced this in 2022 with employees in California and New York (both were credit reduction states). The key is gathering your proof of state unemployment tax payments - specifically copies of all quarterly contribution reports and payment confirmations. We organized them by state and quarter, then sent a certified package to the IRS address on the notice with a cover letter explaining that we had paid all state unemployment taxes. Included our EIN and the notice number on everything. It took about 45 days, but they reversed the additional FUTA tax assessment.
Thanks for this detailed advice! Did you also need to submit a revised Form 940 for 2022, or was providing the proof of state payments enough? I'm wondering if I need to get our accountant involved to redo any filings.
We didn't need to submit a revised Form 940. The documentation of state payments was sufficient since we had already filed the original Form 940 correctly - the issue was just that the states hadn't reported our payments to the IRS. I'd recommend having your accountant review the documentation package before submission though. In our case, our accountant noticed that we needed to include Schedule A of Form 940 to properly document the credit reduction states where we had employees. This was crucial for getting the assessment reversed.
I'm confused about one thing - how do you know which 5 states are causing the issue? Does the IRS notice specifically tell you which states didn't report the unemployment info? We just got a similar notice but it doesn't list the specific states.
Look at Box 16 on the notice - it should list the "Credit Reduction States" that are causing the issue. For 2022, there were specifically 5 states that had FUTA credit reductions: California (0.9% reduction), Connecticut (1.5%), Illinois (1.2%), New Jersey (1.8%), and New York (1.2%). If your notice doesn't specify, you'll want to gather documentation for any of these 5 states where you had employees in 2022.
Don't forget about the deduction for business insurance on your vehicle! This is separate from regular auto insurance and covers business use specifically. If you're hauling equipment or products, it's definitely worth getting. Also, if you have your business logo or info painted/wrapped on the vehicle, that's 100% deductible as advertising, not as a vehicle expense. And if you have a dashcam for business security/documentation purposes, that's deductible too. Just make sure you keep a DETAILED mileage log with dates, starting/ending mileage, purpose of trip, and who you met with. The IRS loves to deny vehicle deductions when documentation is sloppy.
How detailed does the mileage log really need to be? I've been just writing down the total miles at the end of each day with a quick note like "job sites" or "supplier runs." Is that enough or will I get flagged?
That's definitely not enough detail if you get audited. The IRS requires contemporaneous documentation, which means recording each trip as it happens, not at the end of the day or week. For each business trip, you need: date, starting point, destination, business purpose, starting odometer, ending odometer, and total miles. For example: "4/15/23, Office to Smith Project Site, Client meeting about landscaping project, 12,345 to 12,367, 22 miles." There are good apps that can help with this - I use MileIQ which lets me swipe left for personal and right for business trips.
One thing no one's mentioned - if you're self-employed, don't forget about the self-employment tax deduction related to your vehicle expenses! When you deduct vehicle expenses on Schedule C, you reduce both income tax AND self-employment tax (the 15.3% tax). But if you're an S-Corp owner and take a salary, vehicle deductions work differently. The corporation can reimburse you for business mileage at the standard rate (tax-free to you), or the business can own the vehicle and deduct all expenses. Also - has anyone used QuickBooks Self-Employed for tracking vehicle expenses? Their app supposedly tracks mileage automatically but I'm worried about accuracy.
I've been using the QuickBooks Self-Employed app for about 8 months now. The automatic mileage tracking works decent but not perfect. Sometimes it doesn't catch short trips under 5 miles, and occasionally it'll think I'm driving when I'm actually on a train. But the convenience factor is huge compared to manually logging everything. At tax time, it generated a nice report that my accountant was happy with. You can also easily categorize trips as business/personal with a quick swipe, which helps with mixed-use vehicles.
I've been working with a WealthAbility advisor in California for about 2 years for my manufacturing business. One thing to keep in mind is that their approach is very focused on long-term tax strategy, not just annual compliance. My advisor spent a lot of time understanding my 5-year business goals before recommending any tax strategies. This meant the first few months felt more like business consulting than traditional tax work. The upfront investment in time (and yes, money) has paid off dramatically though - we restructured my business from an LLC to an S-Corp with a management company arrangement that's saving me about $27,000 annually in taxes. If you're just looking for someone to file your returns as cheaply as possible, this network probably isn't the right fit. But if you want strategic tax planning integrated with your business growth, they're excellent.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's actually exactly the kind of approach I'm looking for - strategic planning rather than just compliance. Would you be comfortable sharing the name of your advisor either here or via message? And roughly what should I expect to budget for this kind of service?
I work with Michelle Sterling at Coastal Tax Advisors in the San Francisco area. She's fantastic and very knowledgeable about construction businesses specifically, which could be perfect for you. She has clients throughout the West Coast and handles everything virtually when needed. As for budget, it's definitely more expensive than traditional accounting services. I pay about $3,500 annually for tax preparation plus $250/hour for strategic planning sessions (usually 5-6 hours spread throughout the year). That sounds like a lot, but my tax savings have been nearly 8x what I pay her. The first year will be more expensive as they do a complete analysis and restructuring if needed. They typically work on a flat fee arrangement once they understand your business complexity.
Has anyone else had issues with WealthAbility advisors being overcommitted? I signed with one last year and while the strategies were great, the advisor was handling so many clients that response times were terrible. Sometimes took 2+ weeks to get answers to relatively simple questions.
I had the opposite experience actually. My WealthAbility advisor has been super responsive. I think it really depends on the individual practice rather than the network as a whole. Did you check reviews before signing on? Also, did you clarify communication expectations upfront? My advisor and I set clear expectations about response times from the beginning.
I didn't check reviews as thoroughly as I should have. The advisor was referred by a friend who had a good experience, but my friend's business is much larger than mine, so I think he got prioritized differently. You make a good point about setting communication expectations upfront. We never really discussed that, and I assumed emails would be answered within a couple of days. Next time I'll definitely make that part of the initial conversation and get it in writing. Still think the tax strategies were solid though, just frustrating to not get timely responses.
Kelsey Chin
Have you run the numbers both ways (joint vs separate) to see the actual tax difference? In my experience with clients who have LLCs, the self-employment tax isn't affected by filing status, so your wife will owe that regardless. But filing jointly often provides other benefits that outweigh the unpaid estimated tax issue. Also, look into whether the grant was taxable income. Some state grants are exempt from taxation depending on their purpose.
0 coins
Brooklyn Knight
ā¢I haven't run the full numbers yet. I was hoping to understand the principles first before diving into calculations. That's helpful to know about the self-employment tax being unaffected by filing status. The grant was specifically for childcare program enhancement, so I'll definitely look into whether it qualifies as tax-exempt. Hadn't even considered that possibility!
0 coins
Norah Quay
One thing no one's mentioned is the audit risk. If your wife's LLC has issues with missed estimated payments, filing separately might keep you from being included in any potential audit of her business. My brother-in-law got dragged into a 3-year audit nightmare because of his wife's side business when they filed jointly.
0 coins
Leo McDonald
ā¢This is actually a misconception. Filing separately doesn't protect you from audit risk if the business is legitimately your spouse's. The IRS can still look at both returns regardless of filing status. What might help is filing for innocent spouse relief if there are unreported income issues.
0 coins