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7 Be really careful about the timing of your Form 8606 filings! I did a backdoor Roth with mixed contributions similar to your situation, but I hadn't properly filed Form 8606 for the years I made non-deductible contributions. The IRS had no record of my basis, and I ended up having to amend returns for those years to establish my non-deducted contribution history. Make sure you've filed Form 8606 for 2021 and 2023 when your contributions weren't deducted. If you haven't, you may need to go back and file those forms before processing your conversion paperwork for 2024.
1 Oh no, I didn't file Form 8606 for those non-deducted years! I thought I only needed to file that when I did the actual conversion. Do you know if there's a penalty for filing those late? And would I need to do full amended returns or just submit the 8606 forms for those years?
7 There's a $50 penalty for each year you failed to file Form 8606 when you should have, but the IRS often waives it if you explain the situation. You don't need to file a full amended return - you can just file the missing Form 8606 forms by themselves for each year you made non-deductible contributions. Make sure to file these before you file your 2024 return with the conversion. You'll need to keep copies of all these forms permanently too, as they're your proof of basis. I learned this the hard way when I couldn't prove my non-deducted contributions from years ago and almost paid tax twice on the same money.
11 Has anyone used the IRS website's "Get Transcript" feature to help with tracking their non-deducted IRA contributions over time? I'm trying to piece together my contribution history before doing a backdoor Roth conversion.
19 I've used it, but it won't show your non-deducted contributions unless you filed Form 8606 for those years. If you did file the forms, you can see them on your transcript and they'll show your running basis. Without those forms on file, there's no record of which contributions were non-deducted, so you'll need your own documentation (like account statements and previous tax returns).
For what it's worth, I've been a dog trainer receiving 1099s for 5 years. The classification of "actively involved" is basically asking if you personally do the work that generates the income. Since you physically bathe and groom dogs, you're actively involved. It's different from passive income like if you owned a grooming salon but hired others to do all the actual grooming work - then you might not be "actively involved" in the same way. One tip: start keeping track of ALL your expenses related to this work. Special clothing you only wear for grooming, tools you purchase, products you buy, even a portion of your phone bill if you use it to communicate with the owner about scheduling. These can add up to significant deductions!
Thanks for the explanation and tips! I've actually started tracking my expenses already - I bought some special non-slip shoes just for work and my own grooming scissors. Should I be saving receipts for everything? And do I need to formally register as a business or anything since I'm technically "self-employed"?
Yes, absolutely save receipts for everything work-related! Digital copies work too - I take photos of receipts with my phone and organize them in a folder. For larger purchases like equipment, keep the original receipt if possible. You don't necessarily need to formally register as a business for tax purposes - filing Schedule C with your personal tax return is sufficient for a sole proprietorship, which is what you are by default. However, some localities require business licenses even for independent contractors, so check your city/county requirements. It's usually a simple form and small fee if needed. Some groomers also get liability insurance to protect themselves - might be worth considering as your work increases.
I messed up on this exact question last year! I said "no" to "actively involved" because like you, I didn't think of myself as having my own business (I do house cleaning on 1099). My return got flagged for review and I ended up having to file an amended return. The IRS considers 1099 workers to be self-employed business owners, even if it's just you providing a service to one company. "Actively involved" just means you personally do the work that earns the money, as opposed to passive income from investments or something. Check "yes" and save yourself a headache!
Did you end up owing more taxes when you had to amend? I'm worried because I think I might have answered this wrong too on my last return for my pet sitting business.
I went through something similar with about $40k in back taxes from my consulting business. One thing I didn't see mentioned yet - look into penalty abatement! If this was your first time getting into tax trouble, you might qualify for First-Time Penalty Abatement which could significantly reduce what you owe. In my case, about $12k of my bill was penalties and interest. I filed for abatement using Form 843 and got most of the penalties removed. Didn't solve the whole problem but made it much more manageable. Also, definitely file your CNC request properly. If you get approved for CNC status, the 10-year statute of limitations continues to run while you're in that status. After 10 years, any remaining tax debt can expire (though there are exceptions).
How complicated is the penalty abatement form? Did you need help filling it out or is it something that's pretty straightforward?
The penalty abatement form (Form 843) is actually pretty straightforward. It's just two pages, and for First-Time Penalty Abatement, you basically need to explain that you've had a good compliance history before this issue and had reasonable cause for the failure to pay. I wrote a simple letter stating I had always filed and paid on time previously, was unaware of the proper estimated tax requirements for my new business, and was now taking steps to resolve the situation. Include your contact info, the tax periods you're requesting abatement for, and why you believe you qualify. It took about 8 weeks to get approved in my case.
Don't forget to check if you qualify for any of the tax relief programs specific to the pandemic! If your business was affected during that time, there might be some additional options. The IRS created several taxpayer relief initiatives during COVID that some people don't know about. Also, when you file for an Offer in Compromise, the IRS uses a specific formula to determine what they'll accept. They generally want either: 1. The quick sale value of your assets, OR 2. Your monthly disposable income Ć 12 (or Ć 24 if you're paying over time) With your income and expenses, you might be able to settle for a fraction of what you owe. Don't be discouraged by the $75k figure!
Thanks for mentioning COVID relief options. My business was definitely affected during that time. Do you know if these programs are still available in 2025? Also, how exactly do they calculate "disposable income" for the OIC formula?
Many of the COVID relief options have expired, but the IRS is still processing applications submitted during the eligible periods. If your tax debt originated during the pandemic years, you might still qualify for certain penalty relief under their broader "reasonable cause" criteria. It's worth mentioning in any communications with the IRS. For calculating disposable income in an OIC, they take your gross monthly income and subtract what they call "allowable expenses." These are based on national and local standards for living expenses like housing, transportation, food, etc. The key is that they use their own standards, not your actual expenses for many categories. So if your car payment is higher than their standard transportation allowance, they'll only count the standard amount. This is where many people run into issues with OICs - the IRS might calculate your disposable income as higher than what you actually have available after paying your real bills.
Former IRS employee here. The Schedule C vs. Schedule E question for short-term rentals is one of the most frequently misunderstood areas of tax law, even among professionals. Here's a simplified way to think about it: - Schedule C = You're running a service business (like a hotel) - Schedule E = You're renting property (passive income) The key factors the IRS looks at: 1. Average length of stay (under 7 days leans toward C) 2. Services provided (more services = more like C) 3. Who performs the services (you doing everything = more like C) Substantial services would include: daily cleaning, meal service, concierge, transportation, tours, etc. Basic services that DON'T trigger Schedule C include: furnishing the property, utilities, trash, standard maintenance. Your CPA isn't automatically right just because they're a CPA. Get a second opinion or request they provide the specific tax code section supporting their position.
Thank you so much for this breakdown! This is exactly my situation - I provide the furnished space, basic amenities, and occasionally coordinate cleanings between guests, but nothing like daily housekeeping or meal service. If I decide to push back with my current CPA or find a new one, are there specific tax code sections or IRS publications I should reference to support the Schedule E position?
The primary reference you want is IRC Section 469 and the related regulations that define "rental activity" versus "business activity." Also useful is IRS Publication 527 (Residential Rental Property) which discusses this distinction. For your specific situation, Revenue Procedure 2019-38 is particularly relevant as it provides a safe harbor for treating certain rental real estate enterprises as a business for the qualified business income deduction - but notably, this doesn't automatically make it subject to self-employment tax. The Tax Court has consistently held that providing basic amenities like furniture, utilities, and occasional cleaning between tenants doesn't rise to the level of "substantial services" that would trigger Schedule C treatment. The case Curphey v. Commissioner is often cited in these situations.
Has anyone considered that both could be right depending on how the business is structured? I have a similar short-term rental and my tax guy initially wanted to put it on Schedule C, but after discussing my involvement level, we ended up splitting it. The rental income itself goes on Schedule E, but we set up a separate "property management" business on Schedule C for the service portion. Since the actual service component is pretty minimal (just coordination and occasional guest interaction), the Schedule C portion is small and so is the SE tax hit. Might be worth discussing this hybrid approach with your CPA as a compromise position?
This is actually a really smart approach I hadn't considered. How exactly did you determine what percentage goes where? Is it based on time spent on services vs. just providing the property?
Lilah Brooks
Have you looked into ProSeries? I use it for my small accounting practice, and it has a "Basic" version that might work well for an experienced individual filer. It uses a form-based approach similar to Lacerte but costs less. What I like is that you can choose between interview mode and form mode, switching easily between them. For experienced users, you can just go straight to the forms and enter data. It sounds like exactly what you're looking for - professional software without all the handholding.
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Ian Armstrong
ā¢Thanks for suggesting ProSeries! That form-based approach is exactly what I miss from my professional days. Do you know if they offer a one-time purchase option or is it subscription-only? And roughly what price range are we talking about for the Basic version?
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Lilah Brooks
ā¢They offer both options. You can get a single-year license for around $450 for the Basic version, which includes federal and one state. It's definitely more expensive than consumer software, but much less than the professional versions which run into thousands. The nice thing is you can download a trial version to test before purchasing. This lets you see if the interface works for your needs. The learning curve isn't bad if you're already familiar with professional tax software. One thing to keep in mind is that while it's form-based, you still get the calculations and error-checking that prevents mistakes.
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Jackson Carter
Maybe consider ATX? It's what I switched to after leaving a big tax firm. It's straightforward without the consumer-level handholding, gives you direct form access, and costs less than Lacerte. They have different pricing tiers depending on which forms you need.
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Kolton Murphy
ā¢I second ATX! Been using it for 5 years after trying everything else. Perfect balance of functionality and price for experienced preparers. The Max bundle handles everything but costs around $1200. The basic package might be enough at around $600 if you don't need specialized business forms.
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