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Evelyn Rivera

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I've been reading through this entire thread and want to add some additional perspective on the financial disability exception that might be helpful. While major depression can qualify, the key is having your physician specifically document that the condition prevented you from managing your financial affairs during the relevant period. I work in tax resolution and have seen successful financial disability claims where the physician's statement included specific language about the patient's inability to handle complex financial decisions, difficulty with paperwork and deadlines, and cognitive impacts that affected their capacity to understand tax obligations. Generic treatment records usually aren't sufficient - you need a targeted statement from your treating physician. Also, don't overlook the "equitable tolling" possibilities mentioned earlier. Given your international assignment and the complexity of coordinating between US and Japanese tax obligations, if you can document that you received conflicting or incomplete guidance about your filing requirements, this could strengthen your case beyond just the health issues alone. One practical suggestion: consider filing Form 843 (Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement) even if you're not 100% certain about qualifying for an exception. The IRS will review your specific circumstances, and sometimes they identify relief options that weren't immediately obvious. The worst they can do is deny it, but you might be surprised at their flexibility when there are genuine extenuating circumstances like yours. The combination of your depression diagnosis, international tax complexity, and pandemic timing really does create a unique situation that goes beyond typical "I forgot to file" scenarios.

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Christian Burns

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This is really helpful guidance about the specific language needed for financial disability claims. I'm curious about the timing requirements - does the physician's statement need to cover the entire period from when the return was due until now, or just the initial period when I should have filed? Also, regarding Form 843, is there a specific deadline for filing this claim, or can it be submitted at any time? I want to make sure I'm not missing another statute of limitations while I'm working on gathering the medical documentation. The point about documenting conflicting guidance is interesting - I definitely received different information from my company's tax team in Tokyo versus what I later learned about US filing requirements. Would email communications with HR or the tax service provider be sufficient documentation for this, or do I need something more formal? Thanks for mentioning that the IRS might identify relief options that aren't immediately obvious. Given how complex this situation is with multiple potential exceptions, it sounds like it's worth pursuing even if I'm not certain about meeting all the requirements for any single exception.

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AaliyahAli

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@945f3cdc5e0b Great questions! For the physician's statement, it typically needs to cover the continuous period from when you should have filed (April 15, 2020, or July 15, 2020 with the COVID extension) until you were able to manage your financial affairs again. The IRS looks for a period of at least 12 consecutive months of financial incapacity, but it doesn't have to extend all the way to present day - just long enough to explain why you couldn't file during the limitation period. Form 843 doesn't have its own separate statute of limitations for refund claims - it's subject to the same general refund statute. However, for financial disability claims, the limitation period is essentially suspended during the period of disability. So if you can establish that you were financially disabled from 2020-2022, for example, the clock wouldn't start running again until your condition improved. Email communications with HR and tax service providers are definitely valuable documentation! Include anything showing what you were told about filing requirements, especially if there are contradictions between different sources of advice. The IRS has accepted email chains, meeting notes, and even contemporaneous calendar entries as evidence of reliance on professional guidance. You're absolutely right about pursuing multiple angles - I've seen cases where taxpayers didn't fully qualify for one exception but the combination of factors (health issues + employer misinformation + international complexity) convinced the IRS to grant relief under their general authority to resolve inequitable situations. The key is presenting a complete picture of all the circumstances that contributed to the non-filing.

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Xan Dae

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I'm in a somewhat similar situation and wanted to share what I learned from consulting with a tax attorney who specializes in international cases. One thing that hasn't been fully discussed is the concept of "protective claims" - if you're unsure whether you qualify for the financial disability exception, you can file Form 843 as a protective claim to preserve your right to the refund while you gather additional documentation. The attorney also mentioned that for international tax situations like yours, the IRS sometimes applies a "facts and circumstances" test when multiple exceptions might apply. Your case has several compelling elements: documented mental health issues during the critical period, international tax complexity, employer-provided guidance about filing requirements, and the pandemic disruption right when you returned to the US. Another angle worth exploring - if your Tokyo employer or the consulting firm provided any tax equalization benefits or made payments to cover your US tax obligations, this could affect both your 2019 refund calculation and your 2020 tax liability. These arrangements sometimes create timing differences that aren't immediately apparent but can be significant when you're dealing with statute of limitations issues. I'd recommend getting those account transcripts as soon as possible to see exactly what the IRS has on record. Sometimes they have information about foreign employer reporting or treaty elections that can change the entire calculation. Given the amounts involved ($14K refund vs $17.5K owed), it's definitely worth pursuing every possible avenue before accepting that the refund is lost.

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This is really valuable information about protective claims - I had no idea that was an option! It makes sense to preserve the right to the refund while gathering documentation rather than potentially missing another deadline. The "facts and circumstances" test you mention sounds promising given how many different complications were involved in my situation. Between the depression, international assignment, conflicting tax guidance, and pandemic timing, it really was a perfect storm of circumstances that led to this mess. Your point about tax equalization benefits is particularly interesting. My consulting firm did provide some form of tax assistance while I was in Tokyo, though I'm honestly not entirely clear on all the details of how that was structured. I'll definitely need to request those records from HR along with the IRS transcripts. Given all the advice in this thread, it sounds like my best approach is to: 1) Get the IRS transcripts to see what they have on file, 2) Gather documentation from my employer about the tax assistance and any guidance they provided, 3) Work with my doctor to get a properly worded statement about my depression and financial incapacity, and 4) File Form 843 as a protective claim while I'm collecting everything else. Thanks to everyone who contributed here - this thread has given me so much more hope and concrete steps to take than I had when I first posted!

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Nia Harris

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Has anybody ever been audited for messing this up? My husband and I accidentally both contributed to dependent care FSAs at different jobs last year (about $4000 each) and I'm freaking out now reading this thread.

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Omar Hassan

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Don't panic, but you should address this. The IRS can identify this issue because employers report FSA contributions on your W-2s (usually in box 10). You should file Form 2441 with your tax return to report all dependent care benefits received. The excess contribution (anything over the $5,000 household limit) would need to be included as taxable income on your Form 1040. You'll calculate this on Form 2441. It's not necessarily an audit trigger if you self-correct, but ignoring it could potentially flag your return.

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LordCommander

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I'm a tax preparer and see this mistake ALL the time! Just to reinforce what others have said - the $5,000 dependent care FSA limit is definitely per household when you're married filing jointly, not per person. What I tell my clients is to think of it this way: the IRS doesn't care which spouse's employer plan you use or how you split it between accounts. They only care about the total household contribution not exceeding $5,000. One practical tip: if you do split contributions between both spouses' FSA accounts, make sure you coordinate your reimbursement claims carefully. You don't want to accidentally submit the same daycare receipt to both accounts for reimbursement - that would be claiming the same expense twice, which is definitely not allowed. Also, keep excellent records of all your childcare expenses throughout the year. You'll need them not just for FSA reimbursements, but also to properly calculate any additional tax credit you might be eligible for on the amounts above your FSA contributions.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to navigating FSAs and had no idea about the coordination issue with reimbursements. Quick question - if we do split our $5,000 between both our FSA accounts (like $2,500 each), do we need to notify our employers about this split, or do they automatically know to coordinate the limits? I want to make sure we don't accidentally go over the household limit when we're setting up our elections for next year.

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StarGazer101

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Did you get an acceptance confirmation email from your state? Sometimes TurboTax says its transmitted but it actually failed

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NightOwl42

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wait no i didnt... should i contact turbotax support?

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StarGazer101

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ya def hit up their support. they can resend if it failed

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Had the exact same issue last month! Turns out my state return was never actually e-filed even though TurboTax showed it as complete. Had to manually check my state's tax website and refile directly through them. The state processing is completely separate from federal - SBTPG only handles federal refunds. Check your state tax agency's website directly and look for any error messages or missing submissions. You might need to refile your state return separately.

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Romeo Quest

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Have you tried just using the free fillable forms directly from the IRS? I spent hours comparing different calculators last year only to find they were all slightly off. When I just filled out the actual forms myself, I understood exactly where every number came from. Takes more time but gave me peace of mind that I wasn't missing anything the calculators might overlook.

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CosmicCommander

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As a tax preparer who's worked with both platforms extensively, I can tell you the discrepancy often comes down to how each system handles the ordering of deductions and credits. TurboTax tends to optimize the sequence of calculations to maximize refunds (applying certain deductions before others), while H&R Block follows a more linear approach that mirrors the actual IRS form sequence. For your specific situation with $19,200 SE income and 3 dependents, pay close attention to how each platform calculates your AGI before applying the Child Tax Credit. The SE tax deduction under IRC ยง164(f) should reduce your AGI by half of your SE tax ($1,356.50), which then affects your CTC eligibility. Small differences in how this flows through the calculation can create the variance you're seeing. I'd recommend printing the tax summary from both platforms and comparing line-by-line on Forms 1040, Schedule C, and Schedule SE to identify exactly where the numbers diverge.

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Mia Alvarez

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This is incredibly helpful! As someone new to self-employment taxes, I really appreciate the detailed breakdown of how the calculation sequence matters. I never realized that the order of deductions could create such significant differences between platforms. Your suggestion to compare line-by-line makes perfect sense - I'll definitely print out both summaries and go through Forms 1040, Schedule C, and Schedule SE systematically. The specific mention of the $1,356.50 SE tax deduction gives me a concrete number to verify against. Thank you for taking the time to explain this so clearly!

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Ruby Blake

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I'm going through this exact same situation right now and this thread has been a lifesaver! Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like the key is bypassing JH's regular customer service entirely. I'm planning to try the MetaBank route first since multiple people have had success with that approach. If that doesn't work, I'll use the specific terminology mentioned here - "Early Refund Advance loan payoff" and asking for "loan servicing department." It's honestly shocking how broken their repayment system is for what should be a straightforward transaction. I've been documenting every call attempt with dates and rep names, just in case this escalates to collections or credit reporting issues. Has anyone tried the CFPB complaint route mentioned by the tax preparer? I'm wondering if that might be worth doing proactively to create an official paper trail, especially since this seems to be such a widespread problem with their system.

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Santiago Diaz

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I haven't personally tried the CFPB complaint route yet, but after reading through all these experiences, I'm seriously considering filing one proactively. It seems like creating that official paper trail could be really valuable, especially since so many people are dealing with the same broken system. The fact that you're already documenting every call attempt is smart - that kind of detailed record could be crucial if this does escalate. I'm in a similar boat and planning to try the MetaBank approach first too, but having the CFPB complaint as a backup option gives me some peace of mind. It's crazy that we even need to consider federal complaints just to repay money we're actively trying to return! Keep us updated on how the MetaBank route works out for you.

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StarStrider

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This entire thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I work in financial services and see similar issues with third-party loan servicing all the time. A few things that might help beyond what's already been mentioned: 1) If you have any emails or paperwork from when you originally got the advance, look for a "loan servicer" disclosure - this will tell you exactly which bank is handling repayment. 2) When calling MetaBank or any financial institution, ask specifically for their "third-party tax advance department" - they usually have specialized reps for these products. 3) If you're still getting nowhere, consider reaching out to your state's banking commissioner or attorney general's office - they often have consumer protection divisions that can intervene with unresponsive financial institutions. 4) As a last resort, you might want to consult with a consumer attorney who specializes in fair debt collection practices - many offer free consultations and can send a letter that gets companies to respond quickly. The fact that JH is essentially forcing customers into potential default situations when they're actively trying to repay is really problematic from a regulatory standpoint.

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Carmen Ortiz

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This is incredibly thorough advice from a financial services perspective! I never would have thought to look for "loan servicer" disclosures in the original paperwork - that's such a practical tip. The suggestion about asking specifically for the "third-party tax advance department" is brilliant too, since these reps would be trained on exactly these types of situations. It's reassuring to know there are escalation paths through state banking commissioners and attorney generals if the direct approaches don't work. The point about consulting with a consumer attorney is especially valuable - even just having a legal professional send a letter can completely change how companies respond to these issues. Thank you for sharing these industry insights - this kind of detailed guidance could save people months of frustration dealing with broken customer service systems!

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