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Just want to add my experience as an S-Corp owner for 5+ years. What's worked for me is picking a consistent, reasonable monthly salary and sticking with it year-round, then taking quarterly distributions based on profitability. This makes everything cleaner for accounting and looks better to the IRS. For your situation this year, a one-time payment will work, but I'd strongly recommend getting on a regular schedule starting January. It's so much easier to manage cash flow when your owner compensation follows a predictable pattern. Also, the whole "reasonable salary" thing isn't as scary as it sounds. It doesn't mean you have to pay yourself market rate if your business can't afford it. It just means you can't take $1 in salary and $100K in distributions to avoid payroll taxes. As long as you're making a good faith effort to pay yourself fairly for your actual work, you'll be fine.
Thanks for this real-world advice! Would you recommend I go ahead with the lump sum now in December or just start fresh in January? My business has been profitable this year and I've been taking money out, just not as official salary. Trying to figure out the less risky approach.
Given that you've been taking money out and the business has been profitable, I'd definitely recommend doing the lump sum salary payment in December rather than waiting until January. Here's why: The IRS could potentially reclassify those distributions you've been taking as salary subject to payroll taxes if they determine you should have been paying yourself wages all along. By making a reasonable salary payment now, you're showing good faith effort to comply with S-Corp requirements. Calculate a reasonable annual salary based on what you'd pay someone else to do your job, then subtract any amounts you might have already run through payroll (sounds like zero in your case). Pay yourself that amount as salary in December with proper withholdings. Starting January, set up that regular monthly or bi-weekly schedule. The combination of addressing this year properly plus establishing a clean pattern going forward puts you in a much stronger position if there's ever any scrutiny. Your accountant can help you determine the right amount, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good - a documented, reasonable salary payment now is far better than nothing.
I'd definitely echo what others have said about making that lump sum payment in December rather than waiting. As someone who's dealt with similar timing issues, the IRS is generally more understanding about irregular payments in your first partial year as an S-Corp, especially if you document your reasoning well. One practical tip - when you calculate your reasonable salary amount, keep records of how you arrived at that number (industry research, comparable positions, etc.). I learned this the hard way when my accountant asked me to justify my salary decision later. Also, don't stress too much about the exact percentage split between salary and distributions. The key is that your salary reflects the value of services you actually perform for the business. If you're doing the work of a $60K employee in your industry, then that's a defensible salary regardless of what your total business income is. For next year, I'd suggest setting up automatic monthly salary payments through your payroll service. It makes everything so much cleaner and takes the guesswork out of compliance. You can always adjust the amount quarterly if your business performance changes significantly.
This is really helpful advice, especially about keeping documentation! I'm curious - when you say "industry research," what specific sources did you use to justify your salary decision? I'm in a pretty niche field and I'm worried I won't be able to find good comparable data to support whatever amount I choose. Did you use Bureau of Labor Statistics data, or something else? Also, how detailed does that documentation need to be - just a one-page summary or something more comprehensive?
Hey! I went through the exact same thing last week and was totally panicking. My 2024 Account Transcript was completely blank for like 10 days while my Return Transcript showed everything perfectly. Finally got my first update yesterday with processing codes! The blank Account Transcript just means they haven't started actually working on your return yet - it's not broken or anything. Once they begin processing, you'll see all the codes start appearing including the 846 you're waiting for. The Return Transcript being visible is actually a good sign that everything was received properly. I know the waiting is brutal but it sounds like you're in the normal flow. Keep checking Wednesdays and Fridays since those are the main update days. You should see movement soon! π€
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's exactly what I needed to hear. It's so stressful when you're waiting for your refund and the transcript looks broken. Really glad to know this is normal and that movement should happen soon. Did your 846 code show up right after the processing codes appeared?
I'm in the exact same situation right now! Filed about 2 weeks ago and my 2024 Account Transcript is still completely blank while my Return Transcript shows everything. It's driving me crazy because I keep refreshing hoping to see that 846 code appear. Reading through these comments is actually really reassuring - sounds like this is totally normal during the early processing phase. I've been checking every Wednesday and Friday morning like clockwork but nothing yet. At least I know my return was received properly since the Return Transcript is there. Has anyone here had success with that taxr.ai tool that keeps getting mentioned? Might be worth trying since manually decoding these transcripts is giving me a headache. The waiting game is brutal when you really need that refund! π
I completely agree with everyone here - creating fake receipts is absolutely not worth the risk. As someone who's dealt with IRS audits, I can tell you that expense fraud can have consequences far beyond just losing your job. If your company gets audited and fraudulent expenses are discovered, it can trigger additional scrutiny on your personal tax filings too. Instead of risking your career and potentially legal issues, here are some immediate legitimate options: 1. Order groceries online for pickup/delivery before the deadline 2. Buy meal prep ingredients in bulk 3. Purchase from restaurant delivery apps and freeze the food 4. Ask if the budget can be used for team meals or office catering The key is to make actual purchases with real receipts. Even if you end up with more food than you immediately need, it's infinitely better than creating fraudulent documentation. Your company's accounting team will thank you for being honest, and you'll sleep better at night knowing you handled it properly.
This is really solid advice. I'm new to understanding expense policies, but it sounds like the IRS aspect makes this even more serious than just a company policy violation. @cfe58c2efb8d - have you considered asking if you can use the budget for non-perishable items like canned goods or frozen meals? That way you could legitimately spend the full amount before the deadline and still have food for later use. It seems like there are so many legitimate options here that creating fake documentation would be completely unnecessary and incredibly risky.
As someone who's worked in both corporate finance and dealt with IRS regulations, I want to emphasize that what you're considering crosses multiple legal boundaries. Creating fraudulent documentation isn't just an employment issue - it's potential wire fraud if submitted electronically, and could constitute tax fraud depending on how your company handles these expenses. The IRS takes expense documentation very seriously, especially when it involves falsified tax identification numbers. Using a legitimate restaurant's tax ID on fake documentation could potentially implicate that business in fraudulent activity, which adds another layer of legal complexity. Your best bet is to be completely transparent with your manager about the timing issue. Most companies would much rather work with an honest employee to find a solution than deal with the legal and HR complications that come with expense fraud. Some alternatives might include: - Purchasing grocery store gift cards (if policy allows) - Making a large legitimate food purchase and freezing items - Asking for a deadline extension with a valid explanation - Using the budget for team meals or office events The $250 simply isn't worth risking your career, legal standing, and professional reputation. Talk to your manager - they'll likely appreciate your honesty and help you find a compliant solution.
This really puts it in perspective - I had no idea using someone else's tax ID could potentially involve the restaurant in legal issues too. That makes it even worse than just submitting a fake receipt. @cfe58c2efb8d I hope you see how many legitimate alternatives everyone has suggested here. Even if your manager initially says no to an extension, showing that you've researched proper alternatives and want to handle this correctly will probably work in your favor. The fact that you asked the question here shows you had doubts about the fake receipt idea - trust those instincts and go with one of the legitimate solutions people have outlined.
Let me walk you through how the TurboTax Refund Advance typically works: 1. When you apply for the advance, you're actually getting a loan from a partner bank 2. During tax filing, TurboTax creates a temporary bank account (sometimes called a SBTPG account) 3. Your federal refund is directed to this temporary account first 4. The bank deducts the advance amount plus any applicable fees 5. The remaining balance is forwarded to your personal bank account 6. Your state refund is typically sent directly to your personal account This structure is why they generally only take repayment from the federal refund. The state refund usually bypasses their temporary account system entirely.
Wow, I never realized they created a whole temporary bank account for this process! That makes so much sense now. Last year I was confused why my federal refund seemed to take an extra step before reaching me compared to my state refund. This explains the exact mechanism.
Great question about budgeting with elderly parents in mind - I'm in a similar situation. From what I've experienced and researched, TurboTax Refund Advance is almost always recovered from your federal refund only, not state. The key reason is that when you accept the advance, you're essentially authorizing TurboTax's banking partner to intercept your federal refund through the IRS e-file system. State refunds are processed by individual state tax agencies and typically go directly to your bank account without passing through TurboTax's collection system. However, I'd strongly recommend calling TurboTax directly to confirm this for your specific situation, especially since you're managing finances for two people. You want to be 100% certain about the timing so you can plan appropriately. Also, make sure you understand what happens if your federal refund is less than expected due to any IRS adjustments - you'd still owe the advance amount.
This is really helpful advice, especially the part about calling TurboTax directly for confirmation. I'm curious though - have you ever encountered a situation where someone's federal refund was delayed significantly (like due to identity verification or other IRS holds) while their state refund came through quickly? I'm wondering what happens to the advance repayment timeline in those cases, since you mentioned we'd still owe the advance amount if there are federal refund issues.
Liam Fitzgerald
Just wanted to share a success story! After getting the same error for 3 days straight, I tried accessing SBTPG at exactly 4:30am this morning and got right in! The website shows much less traffic during early morning hours. According to https://downdetector.com/status/sbtpg/ the site has been having issues since Monday with peak outages between 9am-6pm. My refund was there waiting the whole time! Try again during off-hours and you'll likely have better luck.
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Zara Rashid
β’That's really helpful! Did you notice if the funds were already in your bank account even while the SBTPG site was showing errors? I'm wondering if the actual processing is still happening behind the scenes despite the website issues.
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Luca Romano
β’I'm a bit hesitant to try this early morning approach... do you think there's any chance that accessing during those hours might somehow cause additional delays? I know it's probably not logical, but I'm just trying to be careful with my refund processing.
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AstroAdventurer
Had this exact same issue last week! What finally worked for me was switching to my mobile data instead of WiFi - apparently SBTPG sometimes has issues with certain internet providers during peak times. Also, if you're using any VPN or ad blockers, try disabling them temporarily. The site seems really picky about connections when it's under heavy load. Once I got in, my refund info was all there waiting for me. Don't give up - it's definitely a system issue, not a problem with your actual refund!
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