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2 Has anyone noticed that the blended tax rate shown in different tax software programs can vary slightly? When I calculated mine in TurboTax it showed 23.8% but when I checked with H&R Block online it showed 23.5%. Same numbers entered in both! Which one is right??
19 They're probably calculating it slightly differently. Some software includes certain credits in the calculation while others don't. As long as your actual tax amount is the same in both, the slight difference in the displayed blended rate doesn't matter much - it's just a reference point, not a number that affects what you actually pay.
Thanks for asking this question - I was having the exact same confusion! The explanation about progressive tax brackets makes perfect sense now. One thing that helped me understand it better was looking at the actual tax bracket amounts for our filing status. For 2024 Married Filing Jointly, you're only paying that 35% rate on income between $364,200 and $462,500. Everything below that gets taxed at lower rates (10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%), which is why your average comes out to 23.6%. I found it helpful to think of it like this: if you made $400,000, only $35,800 of that would be taxed at 35%, while the rest gets taxed at progressively lower rates starting from 10%. When you average it all out, you get that blended rate that's much lower than your top bracket.
This is such a helpful way to think about it! I never really understood why the numbers seemed so different until I saw it broken down like this. It's crazy how much of a difference the progressive system makes - I always thought if you were "in the 35% bracket" that meant you paid 35% on everything. Thanks for sharing that example with the $400k income, it really puts it in perspective!
One thing I'd add is to be very careful about the business purpose requirement. The IRS has been scrutinizing these arrangements more closely lately, especially when it's a single-owner S corp renting the owner's residence. Make sure your meetings have a genuine business purpose that couldn't reasonably be conducted elsewhere - like confidential strategic planning, board meetings with sensitive information, or client meetings requiring privacy. I've seen cases where the IRS challenged rentals for routine staff meetings that could have been held at the regular office. Also, spread your 14 days throughout the year rather than clustering them together, as that looks more natural and less like tax avoidance. Document everything meticulously - meeting agendas, attendee lists, business outcomes, and photos if possible.
This is really helpful advice about the business purpose requirement. I'm curious about the documentation aspect - when you mention taking photos of meetings, what exactly should those photos show? Just the meeting in progress, or should they capture specific business materials being discussed? Also, regarding spreading the 14 days throughout the year, is there a minimum time gap the IRS expects between rental periods, or is it more about avoiding obvious patterns that look artificial?
Great points about business purpose documentation! I'd also recommend keeping contemporaneous notes during each meeting that clearly outline the business decisions made and why the home setting was necessary. For example, if you're discussing a potential acquisition, document that the confidential nature required a private setting away from employees who might overhear at the office. Regarding timing, while there's no specific IRS rule about spacing, I've found that having rentals coincide with natural business cycles (quarterly planning sessions, annual strategy meetings, etc.) helps establish legitimacy. The key is that each rental should have an independent business justification rather than appearing to be manufactured just to hit the 14-day limit. One more tip: consider having your attorney or CPA attend some of these meetings when appropriate. Their presence and professional notes can add significant credibility if questioned later.
I've been researching the Augusta Rule for my S corp as well, and one critical aspect I haven't seen mentioned yet is the impact on your homeowner's insurance. When you start using your residence for business meetings, even just 14 days a year, you may need to notify your insurance company or potentially add a business rider to your policy. Some insurers could deny claims if they discover undisclosed commercial use of the property. Also, for those tracking fair market rates, I've found it helpful to document not just the rental rate but also what specific amenities justify that rate - things like high-speed internet, presentation equipment, catering facilities, or privacy features that make your home particularly suitable for business use. This additional documentation can really strengthen your position if the IRS questions your rental rate during an audit. One more consideration: if you're planning to do this strategy long-term, consider how it might affect a future sale of your home. While the Augusta Rule income is tax-free, you'll want clean documentation showing the business use was minimal and temporary to avoid any complications with the home sale exclusion under Section 121.
This is excellent advice about the homeowner's insurance implications - I hadn't even considered that angle! The point about documenting specific amenities that justify your rental rate is particularly valuable. I'm curious about the Section 121 home sale exclusion you mentioned - could you elaborate on what kind of complications might arise? Are you referring to potential issues with the "business use" test, or is there something specific about the Augusta Rule rentals that could affect the $250k/$500k exclusion when selling your primary residence? I want to make sure I'm not creating any unintended tax consequences down the road.
Anyone else notice their HYSA interest rates dropping this year? I got $531 in interest on my hysa last year (on 1099-INT) but the rates are down by almost a full percent now. Wondering if it's better to move cash to my brokerage sweep account since they're paying similar rates now but with easier access to investment options.
I'd be careful with that. Brokerage sweep accounts often have lower rates than dedicated HYSAs. Check the fine print - my Fidelity sweep account was only paying 1.2% while my HYSA was at 3.7%. The convenience isn't worth the lost interest.
Thanks for the heads up! I just double-checked and you're right - my brokerage's default sweep account is significantly lower than advertised. Apparently I need to specifically choose their "higher yield" cash option to get the competitive rate. The marketing was a bit misleading there.
Great question! I had similar confusion when I first started earning significant interest income. One important thing to keep in mind is the timing of when you'll owe taxes on this income. Since your HYSA shows $0 federal tax withheld on that $627, you'll want to consider whether you need to make estimated tax payments for 2024 if this represents a significant increase in your income compared to prior years. The IRS generally expects you to pay taxes throughout the year, not just at filing time. Also, don't forget that interest income can push you into a higher tax bracket if you're close to the threshold. At $627, it's probably not a concern, but it's worth checking if you have multiple high-yield accounts or other interest-bearing investments. For your brokerage account, definitely look at Box 11 on your 1099-DIV as others mentioned. Some brokerages also provide supplemental statements that break down exactly what type of fund your cash is invested in, which can help you understand why it's reported as dividends rather than interest.
Just to add a bit more detail to the corporation tax calculation... The fast food chain making $30m profit would normally pay: $30,000,000 Ć 21% = $6,300,000 in federal tax After donating $1.75m: Taxable income becomes $28,250,000 New tax is $28,250,000 Ć 21% = $5,932,500 Total tax savings: $367,500 So the govt "loses" $367,500 in tax revenue, while charities gain $1.75m. The company is still out-of-pocket $1,382,500 after tax benefits. Doesn't seem like a pure tax dodge to me.
This is super helpful! Do state corporate taxes work the same way? Like do they get to deduct the donation amount from their state tax calculations too?
Yes, most states do allow charitable deductions for corporate taxes, but the specifics vary significantly by state. Some states have their own charitable contribution limits that might be different from the federal 25% cap, and a few states don't allow the deduction at all. For example, if your fast food chain operates in California (9.6% corporate tax rate), they'd likely get an additional state tax savings of about $168,000 on that $1.75m donation. Combined with the federal savings, total tax benefit would be around $535,500, making their net cost about $1.2m instead of $1.38m. But if they operate in a state like Nevada or Wyoming with no corporate income tax, they'd only get the federal benefit. The key is checking each state's specific rules since some have caps, phase-outs, or restrictions on certain types of charitable organizations.
This is exactly the kind of breakdown I was hoping for! So if I'm understanding correctly, the whole "corporations donate to avoid taxes" narrative is pretty misleading. They're still spending significantly more than they save, even with the tax benefits. One thing I'm curious about though - you mentioned the 25% limit on charitable contributions. Does that mean if a company wanted to donate more than 25% of their taxable income in a single year, they wouldn't get the full deduction? And what happens to the excess - can they carry it forward to future years? Also, are there any restrictions on what types of organizations qualify for these deductions? Like, could a fast food chain start their own "food education foundation" and get the same tax benefits while basically promoting their own interests?
You're absolutely right that the "tax avoidance" narrative is misleading! Regarding your questions about the 25% limit - yes, if a corporation tries to deduct more than 25% of their taxable income in charitable contributions, the excess doesn't just disappear. They can carry forward the unused portion for up to 5 years and apply it against future taxable income (subject to the same 25% annual limit). As for qualifying organizations, the IRS is pretty strict about what counts as a legitimate charity. Even if your fast food chain creates a "food education foundation," it would need to be a genuine 501(c)(3) organization with legitimate charitable purposes, independent governance, and restrictions on how much benefit can flow back to the donor company. The foundation would have to actually serve public charitable purposes, not just promote the company's business interests. The IRS has detailed rules to prevent exactly the kind of self-serving arrangements you're thinking about. So while companies do get tax benefits from charitable giving, the system has safeguards to ensure the donations serve legitimate charitable purposes rather than being pure tax schemes.
Ryan Andre
This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was looking for! Thank you @Kingston Bellamy for the specific thresholds. Based on what you've shared, it sounds like I really only need to worry about Louisiana and New Mexico from my list, and even then the enforcement risk seems minimal for such small amounts. I think I'm going to take the practical approach and file in Louisiana and New Mexico just to be safe (since they seem to be the most strict), but skip Ohio, Oklahoma, and Pennsylvania since I'm clearly below their thresholds. One follow-up question - do you know if these state thresholds get updated regularly? I want to make sure I'm working with current information before making my final decision.
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NebulaNinja
ā¢Great question about threshold updates! State filing thresholds can change annually, though they don't always do so. Most states announce changes as part of their annual tax law updates, usually published between December and February for the following tax year. For the most current information, I'd recommend checking each state's Department of Revenue website directly, as they typically post current year filing requirements in their nonresident tax guides. You can also look at the state-specific instructions that come with popular tax software - they're usually updated with the latest thresholds. That said, the thresholds @Kingston Bellamy mentioned align with what I've seen for recent tax years, so you're probably working with good current info. Your practical approach of filing in LA and NM while skipping the others where you're clearly below thresholds sounds very reasonable given the tiny amounts involved.
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Sean O'Donnell
Just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through the MLP tax nightmare multiple times. The advice here is solid, but I'd add one more consideration: if you're planning to invest in MLPs again in the future, it might be worth establishing a filing pattern now even for small amounts. Some states have "lookback" provisions where if you file in one year, they expect you to file in subsequent years even if your income drops below thresholds. This is particularly true for Louisiana and New Mexico. If this was truly a one-time mistake and you're never touching MLPs again, then the practical approach of only filing where enforcement is likely makes sense. But if there's any chance you might end up with MLP income again, consider whether starting a filing relationship with these states now is worth the hassle to avoid complications later. Also, since you mentioned the tax due would be $0 in all states anyway, you might want to check if any of these states charge filing fees for nonresident returns. Some states have minimum fees (usually $25-50) even when no tax is owed, which could make the "file everywhere to be safe" approach more expensive than you'd expect.
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Kirsuktow DarkBlade
ā¢This is really helpful advice about the lookback provisions - I hadn't considered that angle at all! Since this was definitely a one-time mistake (lesson learned about MLPs!), I think I'm comfortable with the practical approach of minimal filing. Good point about the filing fees too. I should definitely check if Louisiana and New Mexico charge minimum fees before I decide to file there "just to be safe." If they're charging $25-50 each for a $0 tax liability, that would definitely tip the scales toward not filing at all given the tiny income amounts and low enforcement risk. Do you happen to know off the top of your head which states typically charge these minimum filing fees for nonresident returns?
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