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Bottom line on UCC signature definition: authorization matters more than signatures. If your security agreement authorizes UCC filings and your debtor names match, you're probably in good shape. The SOS accepting the filing is also a good sign - they typically catch obvious problems.

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Glad we could help! UCC signature issues cause way more anxiety than they should.

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Definitely. The key is understanding that the UCC filing is just notice - the real legal relationship comes from the security agreement.

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As someone who's dealt with similar authorization questions, I'd recommend documenting everything clearly for your file. Even though the consensus here is right - authorization through your security agreement should suffice - it's worth creating a memo explaining why your filing is valid. Include references to the specific authorization language in your loan docs and cite UCC 9-502. This way if anyone questions it later (auditors, regulators, or even internal compliance), you have a clear paper trail showing you did your due diligence. For a $240K loan, that extra documentation step is definitely worth the peace of mind.

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This is excellent advice @Dylan Evans. Creating that documentation trail is so important, especially for larger loans like this one. I've seen situations where a perfectly valid filing got questioned years later during an audit, and having that contemporaneous memo explaining the authorization basis saved everyone a lot of headaches. It's also helpful to include a copy of the relevant security agreement provisions in your UCC file so everything is in one place. Takes maybe 10 minutes to prepare but could save hours of research down the road.

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The gap between law school UCC materials and actual practice is huge. Gilbert's teaches you the theory but doesn't prepare you for when the SOS system crashes during a filing deadline, or when corporate names don't match exactly between documents. You need practical experience and current resources.

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Don't remind me about system crashes during filing deadlines. I've had to overnight paper filings because of portal issues.

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Emergency paper filings are stressful but sometimes necessary. Though most issues can be avoided with proper document verification upfront.

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honestly gilbert's helped me understand the basic concepts but for your multi-state equipment deal you probably need specialized resources. maybe check with your state bar association for UCC practice guides or CLE materials that cover current filing procedures

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CLE stuff is definitely more practical. They usually cover recent changes and common filing problems.

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Plus CLE presenters often share war stories about filing disasters that help you avoid similar problems.

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Don't forget that even after publication, you'll need to track the continuation deadline. For a new UCC-1, you have 5 years before needing to file a continuation to maintain your perfected security interest. Mark your calendar now!

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I always set reminders at 4 years and 4.5 years just to be safe. Better to file early than risk a lapse.

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Smart approach. A lapsed UCC can create serious problems if you need to enforce the security interest.

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Great advice from everyone here! Since you mentioned this is for manufacturing equipment worth $450K, I'd also recommend keeping a copy of your filing confirmation and the accepted UCC-1 in your loan file for future reference. If you ever need to provide proof of your security interest to other parties (like in a bankruptcy proceeding or asset sale), having that documentation readily available will save you time. The SOS database search results are helpful, but nothing beats having the original filing documents properly organized in your records.

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Bottom line for Indiana: Use regular search for preliminary research, use UCC-11 for official verification. Always use exact legal names from charter documents. Allow 2-3 days for UCC-11 responses. Hope this helps!

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Perfect summary. This should be pinned at the top of every UCC discussion.

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Agreed. Wish I had seen this advice six months ago when I was struggling with the same issues.

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As someone who just went through this exact confusion with Indiana UCC searches, I can confirm what others have said - the distinction is crucial. I made the mistake of relying on portal searches initially and nearly missed a critical filing that only showed up clearly in the UCC-11 response. The extra cost and time for UCC-11 is worth it when you need certainty. One tip I learned: if you're unsure about debtor name variations, consider running both the exact charter name AND common variations through separate searches. Indiana's system can be finicky with punctuation and abbreviations like "Inc." vs "Incorporated.

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Welcome to the UCC filing world! One thing I'd add to all the great advice here - consider doing a UCC search on your debtor before filing to see if there are any existing liens. This will help you understand the priority position and might reveal issues with the debtor's legal name that you can address upfront. The NC SOS search is pretty user-friendly and costs just a few dollars. Better to discover name discrepancies now than after your filing gets rejected!

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That's really smart advice about doing the UCC search first! I hadn't thought about checking for existing liens to understand priority. Will definitely do that before filing. Thanks for the tip about it helping with name verification too - seems like getting the debtor name exactly right is the biggest stumbling block based on everyone's experiences here.

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Absolutely agree on doing the UCC search first! I actually discovered through a pre-filing search that another lender had filed under a slightly different version of my debtor's name (they used the full "Corporation" instead of "Corp."). It made me realize I needed to be extra careful about which version was actually correct according to the state records. The search also showed me there were already two other equipment liens, so I knew we'd be in third position. Really valuable information to have upfront!

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As someone who's been through the NC UCC filing process recently, I'd echo what everyone's saying about being super careful with debtor names and addresses. One additional tip - if your CNC machines have any software components or licenses that are integral to their operation, you might want to consider whether those need to be included in your collateral description. Some courts have found that software essential to equipment operation can be considered part of the equipment itself, but it's worth discussing with your lender's counsel. Also, since you mentioned the equipment will stay at the debtor's facility, make sure you get the exact street address where the collateral will be located - NC sometimes requires location information for certain types of equipment, especially if it's high-value manufacturing equipment like CNC machines.

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