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Omar Mahmoud

Washington ESD denied my unemployment claim - how can I be denied unemployment benefits?

I just got a letter from Washington ESD saying my unemployment claim was denied and I'm completely shocked. I was laid off from my warehouse job last month due to company downsizing and thought I'd automatically qualify. The denial letter mentions something about 'voluntary quit' but I was definitely laid off! How can someone be denied unemployment when they lost their job through no fault of their own? I'm really confused about what could have gone wrong and need to understand my options.

There are several reasons Washington ESD can deny unemployment claims. The most common ones are: voluntary quit without good cause, misconduct, not meeting wage requirements, not being able and available for work, or issues with your separation from employment. Since you mentioned they said 'voluntary quit' but you were laid off, it sounds like there might be conflicting information about how your employment ended.

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That's so strange because I definitely didn't quit. My supervisor told me and 12 other people that we were being laid off due to budget cuts. Maybe my employer reported it wrong to Washington ESD?

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Yes, that happens more often than you'd think. Employers sometimes misreport the reason for separation, either accidentally or to avoid higher unemployment tax rates. You'll need to appeal this decision and provide documentation of your layoff.

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I had a similar situation last year where Washington ESD initially denied my claim because my former employer told them I quit when I was actually terminated. The good news is you can appeal their decision! You have 30 days from the date on the denial letter to file an appeal. Make sure you gather any documentation you have about being laid off - emails, texts, layoff notices, etc.

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Did you win your appeal? I'm worried this is going to take forever and I really need these benefits to pay rent.

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Yes, I won but it took about 6 weeks total. The hearing officer ruled in my favor once I presented my termination paperwork and my supervisor's email about the layoffs.

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If you're having trouble reaching Washington ESD to discuss your denial or get help with the appeal process, I recently discovered this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helps people get through to ESD agents by phone. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Might be worth checking out since getting someone on the phone can really help clarify these separation issues.

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Never heard of that before. Does it actually work? I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks about my own issues.

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Yeah it worked for me. I was able to speak with an ESD rep within a couple hours instead of spending days redialing. Really helped me get my adjudication issue resolved quickly.

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Other reasons people get denied include not earning enough wages during their base period, not actively seeking work, or having issues with their work authorization. But in your case it definitely sounds like an employer misreporting issue. Make sure when you appeal that you emphasize you were laid off due to company downsizing, not a voluntary quit.

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What's a base period? I worked at this warehouse for 8 months full-time making $18/hour so I should have earned enough.

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The base period is the first four of the last five completed calendar quarters before you filed. With 8 months of full-time work you should definitely meet the wage requirements, so that's not your issue.

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this is so frustrating!! same thing happened to my brother and it took him 3 months to get it sorted out. the system is broken

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Three months?! I can't wait that long for benefits. Did he eventually get back pay for all those weeks?

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yeah he got all the back pay once it was approved but man what a nightmare dealing with all the paperwork and hearings

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For your appeal, you'll want to request all the documentation Washington ESD used to make their decision. This includes any statements from your employer about your separation. Often you'll see exactly what your employer told them that led to the denial. The appeal process includes a hearing where you can present your side of the story.

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How do I request that documentation? And do I need a lawyer for the hearing or can I represent myself?

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You can request the case file when you submit your appeal. Most people represent themselves at these hearings - they're designed to be accessible without legal representation. Just be prepared to clearly explain what happened with your job separation.

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Another thing to check - did you maybe sign anything when you left that could be interpreted as a resignation? Sometimes companies have you sign papers during layoffs that might be confusing the situation.

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I did sign some paperwork about my final paycheck and returning company property. Maybe there was something in there I didn't read carefully?

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Exactly! Go back through any documents you signed. Sometimes there's language that can be misinterpreted, even if you were clearly laid off.

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I got denied initially too but it was because I didn't report some part-time work I did. Even though it was just a few hours, Washington ESD requires you to report ALL work activity. Make sure there's nothing like that in your case.

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No, I haven't worked anywhere else since I was laid off. I've been focusing on job searching and dealing with this unemployment claim mess.

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One more tip - when you file your appeal, include a detailed written statement explaining exactly what happened with your layoff. Include dates, names of supervisors, and any witnesses to the layoff announcement. The more documentation you have, the stronger your case will be.

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That's really helpful. I remember the exact date and there were other employees there when we got the news. I'll make sure to include all those details.

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Washington ESD is so backed up right now, definitely try that Claimyr thing someone mentioned if you need to talk to someone urgently about your appeal. I spent literally 8 hours one day trying to get through their phone system.

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Yeah I've been trying to call them for days with no luck. Maybe I'll check out that service.

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It's worth it just for the time you'll save. I was able to get my questions answered in one call instead of wasting weeks trying to reach them.

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Don't give up! I know it's stressful but these wrongful denials get overturned all the time when people appeal. Just make sure you meet that 30-day deadline for filing your appeal.

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Thank you for the encouragement. I'm going to file the appeal this week and gather all my documentation.

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Also make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even while your appeal is pending. If you win the appeal, you'll get back pay for those weeks, but only if you continued filing.

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Really? I thought I couldn't file weekly claims if my initial claim was denied.

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Nope, you should keep filing. Washington ESD specifically tells people to continue filing weekly claims during the appeal process to preserve your right to those benefits.

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had the same issue with my employer lying about why i left. took 2 months but eventually got approved after the hearing. make sure u have all ur paperwork ready

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What kind of paperwork did you need for your hearing? I want to make sure I'm fully prepared.

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i brought my layoff notice, final paycheck stub, and emails from my manager about the company restructuring. also had a coworker who was laid off the same day write a statement

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Just to clarify the most common denial reasons for Washington ESD unemployment claims: 1) Voluntary quit without good cause, 2) Discharged for misconduct, 3) Insufficient wages in base period, 4) Not able and available for work, 5) Work refusal, 6) Issues with work search requirements. Your situation sounds like a clear case of employer misreporting.

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This is really helpful to understand all the different ways claims can be denied. Mine definitely seems to be the employer misreporting issue.

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Whatever you do, don't wait to file that appeal! I made the mistake of thinking I could figure it out on my own first and almost missed the 30-day deadline. File the appeal immediately and then you can gather your evidence.

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Good point, I'll file the appeal tomorrow and then work on collecting all my documentation.

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Question - when you were laid off, did you receive any severance pay or vacation payout? Sometimes that can affect your unemployment eligibility or cause delays in processing.

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I got paid for my remaining vacation days but no severance. Does that vacation pay affect anything?

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Vacation pay usually doesn't disqualify you from unemployment but you need to report it when you file. It might affect the timing of when your benefits start but shouldn't cause a denial.

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The appeal hearing will probably be by phone. Make sure you're in a quiet place with good reception and have all your documents organized where you can find them quickly during the hearing.

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Thanks for the tip about phone hearings. I'll make sure I'm somewhere quiet and have everything spread out in front of me.

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I work in HR and I've seen this happen when there's confusion between layoffs and resignations in company records. Sometimes payroll or HR departments make errors in their reporting to the state. Your appeal should clear this up.

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That makes sense. It was a pretty chaotic time at the company with all the layoffs happening at once. Probably just an administrative error.

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One thing i learned during my appeal is that you can also submit additional evidence after you file the initial appeal but before the hearing. so if you find more documents later, you can still include them

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That's good to know. I'm still looking through old emails and texts about the layoff situation.

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If you need to reach Washington ESD quickly about your appeal timeline or have questions about the process, that Claimyr service really does work. I was skeptical at first but it saved me so much time and frustration compared to trying to call on my own.

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I think I'm going to try it. This whole situation is stressing me out and I need to talk to someone who can give me real answers about my case.

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Good luck with your appeal! Most of these employer misreporting cases get resolved in favor of the claimant once all the facts come out in the hearing. Just be honest and thorough in presenting your case.

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Thank you everyone for all the advice and support. I feel much more confident about handling this appeal now.

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I went through almost the exact same situation about 6 months ago! My employer somehow reported that I resigned when I was clearly laid off due to restructuring. The key thing that helped me win my appeal was getting a written statement from my former supervisor confirming the layoff details. If you can reach out to your supervisor or any HR contacts who were involved in the layoff decision, ask them to provide a brief written statement explaining what really happened. Even a simple email from them stating you were laid off due to downsizing can be powerful evidence for your hearing. Also, don't stress too much - these cases usually get resolved pretty quickly once the hearing officer sees the real facts.

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That's a great idea about getting a written statement from my supervisor! I actually have a good relationship with the manager who delivered the layoff news - she seemed genuinely sorry about having to let us go. I'll reach out to her tomorrow and explain the situation. Hopefully she'll be willing to provide something in writing that clarifies I was definitely laid off and didn't quit. It's reassuring to hear that your case got resolved once the hearing officer saw the real facts. This whole thing has been such a nightmare but everyone's advice here is really helping me feel more prepared.

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