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Can you be denied unemployment benefits - Washington ESD rejection reasons?

I'm trying to understand all the ways Washington ESD can deny your unemployment claim before I even apply. My last job ended under weird circumstances and I'm worried they might reject me. What are the main reasons people get denied for UI benefits? I've heard about voluntary quit vs being fired but there seem to be other reasons too. Anyone know the full list of disqualification reasons?

Yes, there are several reasons Washington ESD can deny your claim. The main ones are: voluntary quit without good cause, fired for misconduct, not available for work, not actively seeking work, refusing suitable work, or not meeting wage requirements. The 'weird circumstances' you mentioned could matter - what exactly happened?

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I basically stopped showing up for a few days because my boss was being really hostile, then they fired me for job abandonment. Not sure if that counts as voluntary quit or misconduct.

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That's tricky - job abandonment can be viewed either way by Washington ESD depending on the circumstances. If you can document the hostile work environment, you might have a case for good cause.

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Don't let fear stop you from applying! Even if Washington ESD initially denies your claim, you can appeal the decision. I got denied first for 'voluntary quit' but won my appeal when I provided more documentation about unsafe working conditions.

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How long did the appeal process take? I can't afford to wait months without any income.

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Mine took about 6 weeks total. The key is filing your appeal within 30 days of the denial notice and having good documentation ready.

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Never heard of that service - is it legit? Washington ESD phone lines are impossible but I'm wary of third party services.

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Yeah it's real, they just help you get through the phone queue. I was skeptical too but it actually worked and I got to speak with a real Washington ESD rep about my eligibility questions.

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The wage requirement catches a lot of people off guard. You need to have earned at least $1,430 in your highest-earning quarter during your base period. If you were only working part-time or just started a job recently, you might not qualify based on wages alone.

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What's a base period? This is all so confusing.

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It's the first four of the last five completed calendar quarters before you file. So if you file in March 2025, your base period would be October 2023 through September 2024.

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That seems like such an old time period to base benefits on. What if you had a job more recently?

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WASHINGTON ESD DENIED ME AND I HAD PERFECT ATTENDANCE! They said I was fired for 'misconduct' because I allegedly violated a company policy. Even though the policy was never explained to me properly. The system is rigged against workers.

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Did you file an appeal? Misconduct has to be willful or wanton disregard of the employer's interests. If they never properly communicated the policy, that could help your case.

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Yeah I'm fighting it but it's taking forever. Meanwhile I can't pay rent.

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Here's the complete list of Washington ESD disqualification reasons: 1) Voluntary quit without good cause 2) Discharge for misconduct 3) Not available for work 4) Not actively seeking work 5) Refusing suitable work without good cause 6) Insufficient wages/hours in base period 7) Still employed (even part-time can affect benefits) 8) Attending school full-time 9) Self-employment income 10) Pension/retirement income conflicts.

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What counts as 'actively seeking work'? Do I need to apply to a certain number of jobs per week?

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Washington requires 3 job search activities per week, but they can be applications, networking, job fairs, etc. You have to keep a detailed log in your WorkSourceWA account.

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WorkSourceWA is such a pain to use. Half the job postings are outdated or scams.

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I got denied because they said I 'refused suitable work' when I turned down a job that paid $8/hour less than my previous position. Apparently after a certain number of weeks, Washington ESD considers any job 'suitable' even if it's way below your skill level.

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The 'suitable work' definition does become broader over time. Initially it has to match your skills and pay reasonably close to your previous wages, but those requirements relax as your claim continues.

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It's frustrating because taking that low-paying job would have actually cost me money after childcare expenses.

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My cousin got denied because she was going to school full-time. Even though she was available to work evenings and weekends, Washington ESD said full-time students aren't considered 'available for work' under their rules.

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There are some exceptions for vocational training programs approved by Washington ESD. Maybe she should look into that?

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She's in a regular college program, not vocational. Seems like a catch-22 - need education to get better jobs but can't get education without income.

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Don't forget about the work search requirement! Even if you qualify initially, you can lose benefits if you don't do your 3 weekly job search activities. I forgot to log one week and they suspended my claim.

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Can you backdate those activities if you forgot to log them but actually did the work search?

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Sometimes, but you need documentation proving you actually did the activities. It's better to just log them immediately when you do them.

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Another thing that can get you denied - if you're collecting any kind of pension or retirement benefits. Washington ESD will reduce or eliminate your UI benefits depending on how the pension was funded.

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What about Social Security? I'm 62 and considering early retirement but might need to work part-time.

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Social Security generally doesn't affect UI eligibility in Washington, but any wages from part-time work will reduce your weekly benefit amount.

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I was shocked to learn that you can be denied for earning 'too much' in part-time work while collecting benefits. If you earn more than your weekly benefit amount, you get nothing that week. Makes it hard to transition back to full-time work.

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There's actually a formula where you can earn up to 1.5 times your weekly benefit and still get some UI payment. It's not all or nothing.

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Good to know! Washington ESD's website doesn't explain that very clearly.

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For anyone worried about getting denied, I'd recommend calling Washington ESD to discuss your specific situation before filing. I used Claimyr again recently when I had questions about a potential work refusal issue - much easier than trying to call directly.

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How much does that service cost? I'm already broke, can't afford to pay for help getting benefits I might not even qualify for.

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I found it worth it to avoid months of uncertainty. Better to know upfront if you qualify than to wait weeks for a denial and then have to appeal.

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Just want to add that being denied initially doesn't mean you're out of options. I got denied, appealed, lost the appeal, then requested a second-level appeal and finally won. The process took 4 months but I eventually got all my back benefits.

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Wow, 4 months! How did you survive financially during that time?

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It was rough - had to borrow money from family and do gig work. But getting that lump sum of back benefits eventually made it worthwhile.

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The misconduct standard is pretty high - it has to be willful and substantial disregard of the employer's interests. Minor policy violations or poor performance usually won't disqualify you. Don't assume you'll be denied just because you were fired.

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What about attendance issues? I was fired for being late too many times due to bus reliability problems.

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Transportation issues can sometimes be considered good cause, especially if you documented the problems and tried to find solutions. You should definitely apply and see what happens.

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One more denial reason people forget about - if you're still technically employed but just had your hours reduced, you might be eligible for partial benefits. But if Washington ESD finds out you turned down available hours at your current job, that could disqualify you.

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This happened to my sister. Her boss offered her more hours but she said no because of childcare, then got denied for partial benefits.

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Childcare issues can sometimes qualify as good cause for refusing work, but you have to document it properly and show you're actively looking for solutions.

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Bottom line: even if you think you might get denied, it's usually worth applying anyway. The worst they can say is no, and you might be surprised. I thought I'd get denied for voluntary quit but they approved me because I had good cause (unsafe working conditions).

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Thanks everyone for all the detailed info! I think I'll apply and see what happens. Sounds like there are more exceptions and appeals options than I realized.

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Good luck! Make sure to document everything about your job separation and be completely honest on your application. Washington ESD will verify information with your employer anyway.

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