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Can I quit my job and still get Washington ESD unemployment benefits?

I'm in a really bad work situation and thinking about quitting, but I need to know if I can still get unemployment benefits from Washington ESD. My boss has been cutting my hours down to almost nothing and the workplace is becoming toxic. I've been there for 2 years but I'm worried if I quit I won't qualify for UI benefits. Does anyone know what the rules are for quitting and still getting approved?

Generally no, if you quit voluntarily you won't qualify for unemployment benefits. Washington ESD requires you to be unemployed through no fault of your own. However, there are some exceptions for 'good cause' like constructive dismissal or significant changes to your work conditions.

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What counts as 'good cause'? My hours were cut by more than 70% and they won't give me a reason why.

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A significant reduction in hours like that could potentially qualify as constructive dismissal. You'd need to document everything and show you tried to resolve it with your employer first.

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Generally you can't get unemployment if you quit voluntarily, BUT there are exceptions in Washington. If you quit for 'good cause' you might still qualify. Things like unsafe working conditions, harassment, or significant changes to your job duties can count as good cause. You'll need to document everything though.

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What kind of documentation do I need? I don't have anything in writing about the hour cuts.

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Start keeping records now - emails, text messages, work schedules, anything that shows the changes. Also document any conversations about the toxic environment.

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I was in a similar situation last year. Washington ESD denied my initial claim when I quit but I appealed and won because I could prove my employer substantially changed my working conditions. The key is having documentation.

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What kind of documentation did you need? I have my old schedules showing the hour cuts.

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Schedule records are perfect! I also had emails showing I asked for more hours and was denied. Any written communication helps your case.

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Before you quit, try reaching out to Washington ESD directly to discuss your situation. I used claimyr.com to actually get through to an agent when I couldn't get past the busy signals. They helped me understand if my situation would qualify before I made any decisions. There's even a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works.

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Thanks! I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks but can never get through. I'll check that out.

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Claimyr actually worked for me too. Got connected to an ESD agent in like 20 minutes instead of calling for hours.

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I quit my job last year and got approved for benefits. The key is proving you had 'good cause attributable to the employer.' Washington ESD will investigate and contact your employer to verify your claims.

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How long did the investigation take? I'm worried about the gap in income.

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Mine took about 3 weeks for adjudication. During that time I couldn't get any payments, so make sure you have some savings if possible.

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Before you quit, try to get your employer to reduce your hours in writing or document the hostile work environment. If they're cutting your hours dramatically, you might qualify for partial unemployment while still working. That could be better than quitting outright.

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I didn't know about partial unemployment! How does that work exactly?

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If your hours are reduced below full-time, you can apply for partial benefits to make up some of the lost wages. You still have to meet job search requirements though.

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This is actually a really good option. I did this when my hours got cut to 20/week and it helped bridge the gap until I found something better.

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Don't quit yet! You might have a case for constructive dismissal if your hours were reduced that dramatically. Washington ESD considers it 'good cause' to quit when your employer substantially changes your job conditions. Document everything - schedules, any communications about the hour cuts, your attempts to discuss it with management.

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Should I talk to my manager first about the hour cuts before quitting? I'm worried it might make things worse.

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Yes, you should make a good faith effort to address it with your employer first. This shows Washington ESD you tried to resolve the issue before quitting.

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Make sure any conversation is documented - follow up with an email summarizing what was discussed.

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Have you tried calling Washington ESD to ask about your specific situation? I know their phone lines are always busy, but I recently used this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that actually got me through to an agent in like 10 minutes. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Might be worth getting official advice before you make any big decisions.

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I've tried calling Washington ESD so many times and never get through. How does Claimyr work exactly?

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It basically calls for you and holds your place in line, then connects you when an agent is available. Way better than sitting on hold for hours.

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Never heard of this but honestly anything is better than trying to get through to ESD normally. Their phone system is a nightmare.

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UGH I hate employers who do this! They cut your hours hoping you'll quit so they don't have to pay unemployment. It's such a scummy tactic. Document EVERYTHING and make them fire you if possible.

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That's exactly what I think they're doing! How do I make them fire me without doing something that would disqualify me from benefits?

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Just keep doing your job normally but don't volunteer for extra work or overtime. Let your performance be exactly what they're paying for with the reduced hours.

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Actually, let me clarify the 'good cause' requirements since this is important. Under Washington law, good cause includes things like: domestic violence, harassment, discrimination, unsafe working conditions, or substantial changes to your job that weren't in your original agreement. Hour reduction MIGHT qualify if it's significant enough.

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My hours went from 40/week to about 15/week over the past two months. Would that count as substantial?

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That's a 60% reduction - that could definitely qualify as substantial change. But you'd still need to show you tried to resolve it with your employer first.

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Wait, you have to try to resolve it first? I thought you could just quit if they changed your job significantly.

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Generally yes, you need to show you made reasonable efforts to address the issue before quitting. Washington ESD wants to see you tried to work it out.

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The Washington ESD adjudication process for voluntary quits can take weeks or months. Even if you have good cause, be prepared for your claim to be initially denied and have to go through an appeal. Start saving documentation now.

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How long does the appeal process usually take? I can't go months without any income.

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Appeals can take 6-12 weeks depending on their backlog. You might qualify for emergency assistance programs while waiting.

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I was in a similar situation and ended up getting constructive dismissal. Basically when they make your job so unbearable or change it so much that a reasonable person would have to quit. It's treated the same as being fired for unemployment purposes.

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How do you prove constructive dismissal? That sounds like exactly what's happening to me.

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You need to document the changes and show they were so significant that continuing wasn't reasonable. I had to go through adjudication but eventually got approved.

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honestly the system is so broken, i quit my job last year for similar reasons and they denied me even though my boss was basically harassing me. had to get a lawyer involved

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Did you eventually get approved? I'm worried about the same thing happening to me.

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yeah but it took like 8 months total between appeals and everything. was brutal financially

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Another option to consider - if your hours are cut that severely, you might qualify for partial unemployment benefits while still working the reduced hours instead of quitting entirely.

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I didn't know that was possible! How does partial unemployment work with Washington ESD?

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You can work part-time and still collect some unemployment if your weekly earnings are less than your benefit amount. You report your hours when filing weekly claims.

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This is probably your best bet honestly. Much easier than trying to prove good cause for quitting.

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Another option is to look for a new job while you're still working and then quit once you have something lined up. That way you avoid the unemployment question entirely, but I know that's not always possible with toxic workplaces.

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I've been trying but with only 15 hours a week it's hard to make ends meet and I'm struggling to focus on job hunting.

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I totally get that. The stress makes everything harder. That's why documenting everything for a potential UI claim is so important.

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One more thing - if you do quit, make sure to file your unemployment claim as soon as possible. Don't wait. Even if you're not sure you'll qualify, it's better to file and let Washington ESD make the determination.

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Good point. How long do I have to file after quitting?

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You should file the week you become unemployed. There's no specific deadline but delays can complicate things and you can't get benefits for weeks before you file.

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Whatever you decide, don't just walk out. Give proper notice and try to leave on good terms if possible. Washington ESD will contact your employer as part of the claim process.

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Good point. I don't want to burn bridges even though I'm frustrated with the situation.

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Update on the Claimyr thing - I actually used it again this week to check on another issue and got through to Washington ESD in about 15 minutes. Way better than the 3+ hours I was spending calling normally. Definitely worth trying if you need to talk to someone about your specific situation.

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How much does it cost? I'm already tight on money.

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It's worth checking their site for current info. For me it was way less stressful than spending hours redialing Washington ESD.

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I think you need to be really careful here. Washington ESD is pretty strict about voluntary quits. Even with good cause, they'll scrutinize everything. Make sure you have a solid paper trail before making any moves.

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That's what I'm worried about. I can't afford to be without income for months while fighting an appeal.

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That's why the partial unemployment route might be better - you keep some income while looking for something else.

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Just want to echo what others said about calling ESD for advice. I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier and it was actually legit. Saved me hours of trying to get through on my own.

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Seems like a few people have used it. Is there a cost?

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There is but honestly it was worth it to actually talk to someone who could answer my questions. Better than the stress of never getting through.

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my friend quit her job last month for good cause and still waiting to hear back from adjudication. its been 5 weeks now with no updates

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Ugh that's exactly what I'm afraid of. The waiting is probably the worst part.

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The adjudication process has been really backed up lately. That's unfortunately typical for complex cases like voluntary quits.

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Whatever you decide, don't let them push you around! Employers try to get away with so much because they think workers don't know their rights. Stand up for yourself but be smart about it.

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Thanks for the encouragement. This whole situation has been really stressful and I wasn't sure what my options were.

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You got this! Knowledge is power and it sounds like you're doing your research before making any big moves.

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Have you looked into whether your situation might qualify as a layoff instead of a quit? If they're cutting everyone's hours due to business reasons, it might not be considered voluntary.

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Interesting point. They did cut hours for several people but I don't know if it's across the board or just targeting certain employees.

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Definitely worth investigating. If it's a general business decision rather than targeting you specifically, that changes things.

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Don't forget you'll need to meet the job search requirements too if you do get approved for unemployment. Washington ESD requires 3 job search activities per week and you have to log them.

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Thanks for the reminder. I'm already looking for other jobs anyway so that shouldn't be an issue.

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Whatever happens, start applying for other jobs now. Even if you get unemployment, the sooner you find new work the better. The job market is pretty competitive right now.

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Already started! I've been updating my resume and looking at openings. The reduced hours actually give me more time for job hunting.

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Just want to second the Claimyr recommendation. I was skeptical at first but it really does work for getting through to Washington ESD when you need to talk to an actual person. Much better than the endless busy signals.

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I'm definitely going to try it. At this point I need to talk to someone at Washington ESD to understand my options before making any decisions.

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One more thing - if you do decide to quit, make sure you understand exactly what your employer will report to Washington ESD. Sometimes there are discrepancies that can hurt your case.

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How do I find out what they would report? Should I ask HR directly?

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You can ask but they might not be forthcoming. Just make sure your documentation contradicts any potential negative narrative they might present.

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This is such a tough situation. The system really doesn't account for these gray area cases where you're being pushed out but not technically fired. Good luck with whatever you decide!

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Thanks for all the advice everyone. I think I'm going to try the partial unemployment route first while looking for other work, and document everything in case I need to quit later.

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Smart approach! Keep us updated on how it goes. Your situation is probably more common than people think with all the hour cuts happening in retail right now.

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Will do! This thread has been really helpful in understanding my options.

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For what it's worth, I successfully got unemployment after quitting for good cause but it took documenting everything for months beforehand. The key is showing you tried every reasonable option before quitting.

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That's encouraging to hear. I'm going to start keeping detailed records of everything from now on.

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Good plan. Dates, times, witnesses if possible, and any written communications. It all helps build your case.

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Also consider checking if your state has any additional worker protection laws that might apply to your situation. Sometimes there are other avenues for recourse beyond just unemployment benefits.

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I hadn't thought of that. I'll do some research on Washington state employment laws too.

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Update us on what you decide to do! This kind of situation is way too common and your experience might help other people in similar spots.

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Will do! I'm going to try calling ESD first to get official advice, then decide whether to stick it out or make my exit strategy.

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Smart approach. Getting the official word first is definitely the way to go.

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This thread has been really helpful. I'm dealing with a similar situation where my employer is making my life miserable hoping I'll quit. Good to know there might be options.

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Sorry you're going through it too. It's such a horrible feeling when you dread going to work every day.

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Exactly! And the financial stress on top of everything else just makes it worse.

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Final thought - keep in mind that even if you qualify for unemployment after quitting, you'll still need to meet all the regular requirements like job searching and being available for work. The weekly claims process is the same regardless of why you became unemployed.

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Good reminder. I've never been on unemployment before so I don't really know what the ongoing requirements are.

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You'll need to file weekly claims, document your job search activities, and be available to accept suitable work. It's not just free money - there are responsibilities that come with it.

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Also remember that if you quit and don't qualify for benefits, there's usually no appeal for voluntary quit situations unless you can prove good cause. So make sure your documentation is solid before you make the leap.

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That's a scary thought. I definitely don't want to quit and then find out I can't get any help.

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That's why getting advice from ESD first is so important. They can tell you whether your situation might qualify before you make the decision.

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Good luck with whatever you decide! Toxic work environments are the worst and nobody should have to put up with that kind of treatment.

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Thank you! This thread has given me a lot to think about and some concrete steps to take.

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One last resource - WorkSource WA might also be able to help with job search assistance if you do end up leaving. They have counselors who can help with resume, interview skills, and connecting you with employers.

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I hadn't thought about WorkSource. Are they connected to the unemployment system?

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Yes, they work with Washington ESD. If you're getting unemployment benefits, you might be required to register with WorkSource anyway for the job search requirements.

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This has been one of the most helpful threads I've seen on here. Really shows how complex the unemployment system can be and why it's worth getting proper advice before making big decisions.

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Agreed! I came in thinking it was just a simple yes/no question but there are so many factors to consider.

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Hope everything works out for you OP. Keep us posted on how it goes!

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Thanks everyone for all the advice and support. I'll definitely update when I figure out my next steps.

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Just remembered - if you do end up calling ESD and they tell you that you might qualify, make sure to get the agent's name and reference number for your call. That documentation could be helpful if there are any issues with your claim later.

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Great tip! I'll make sure to write down all the details if I get through to someone.

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I'm in a similar boat with my retail job cutting my hours from 35 to about 12 per week over the last month. Reading through all this advice, it sounds like partial unemployment might be the way to go while documenting everything. Has anyone here actually applied for partial benefits in Washington? I'm curious about how the process works and if it's worth the hassle.

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