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Hiroshi Nakamura

Washington ESD unemployment after quitting - how to quit a job and get unemployment benefits?

I'm in a really toxic work situation and need to quit but I'm worried about being able to get unemployment benefits. My supervisor has been creating a hostile environment and making unreasonable demands that are affecting my health. I've heard that if you quit you can't get Washington ESD benefits but I also heard there are exceptions? Does anyone know the rules about quitting and still qualifying for UI? I really can't stay at this job much longer but I need some income while I look for something else.

You can potentially qualify for unemployment after quitting if you have 'good cause' reasons. Washington ESD recognizes several situations like workplace harassment, unsafe conditions, or significant changes to your job terms. You'll need to document everything thoroughly though - save emails, write down incidents with dates and witnesses.

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What counts as documentation? I haven't been saving emails but I could start now.

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Start documenting immediately - emails, text messages, written complaints you've filed, witness statements if coworkers saw incidents. Also document any attempts you made to resolve the situation with HR or management.

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Be really careful about this. I quit my last job thinking I had good cause and Washington ESD denied my claim. Took months to get it sorted out and I had to appeal. The bar is pretty high for proving good cause.

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Oh no, that's what I'm worried about. What happened with your appeal?

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I eventually won but it was a nightmare getting through to anyone at Washington ESD to explain my situation. Wish I'd known about better ways to reach them back then.

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Thanks, I'll look into that. Getting advice before I quit sounds like a good idea.

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Yeah I used Claimyr when I had adjudication issues and it was way better than trying to call myself.

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You need to try to resolve the issues first before quitting. Washington ESD wants to see that you made reasonable efforts to fix the situation. Talk to HR, document complaints, request transfers if possible. Only quit as a last resort and make sure you can prove it was truly necessary.

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I've already talked to HR twice but nothing changed. Should I document those conversations somehow?

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Absolutely! Write up summaries of those HR meetings with dates, who was present, what was discussed, and what actions (if any) were promised. Email them to yourself for timestamp proof.

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ugh the whole system is so frustrating. why should you have to stay in a terrible job just to get benefits you paid into?? makes no sense

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I know right? But unfortunately that's how it works. The system assumes you should exhaust all options before quitting.

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still ridiculous though. some jobs are just not worth the damage to your mental health

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Some specific good cause reasons Washington ESD recognizes: harassment/discrimination, unsafe working conditions, significant reduction in hours or pay, changes to work location that create undue hardship, or employer violating terms of employment. The key is proving these conditions existed and that a reasonable person would quit under those circumstances.

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My situation is definitely harassment and creating unsafe conditions. The supervisor yells at people in front of customers and has made several inappropriate comments.

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That could definitely qualify. Make sure you document specific incidents, dates, witnesses, and any complaints you've filed. Also document how it's affecting your health or ability to do your job.

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I went through something similar last year. The trick is having really solid documentation and being able to show you tried other solutions first. When I finally quit I had a folder full of emails, incident reports, and witness statements. Washington ESD approved my claim but it took a few weeks for them to review everything.

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How long did the whole process take from when you applied?

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About 6 weeks total because they had to do a fact-finding investigation. They contacted my former employer and some witnesses. It was nerve-wracking but worth it in the end.

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Another thing to consider - if you quit, you might face a delay in benefits even if you eventually qualify. Washington ESD has to investigate and make a determination about good cause. That process can take weeks while you're not getting paid.

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How long of a delay are we talking about typically?

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In my case it was about 5 weeks before I saw any money. Really depends on how complex your situation is and how backed up they are with investigations.

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Have you considered talking to an employment lawyer? Sometimes a letter from an attorney to your employer can change their behavior quickly. Might be worth exploring before you quit if the situation is really that bad.

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I hadn't thought of that. Is it expensive to talk to an employment lawyer?

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Many offer free consultations and some work on contingency. At minimum they can tell you if you have a strong case for constructive dismissal or workplace harassment.

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whatever you do make sure you understand the job search requirements if you do get approved for UI. Washington ESD requires 3 job search activities per week and you have to be able and available for work.

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That's fine, I definitely want to find a new job as soon as possible anyway.

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good just wanted to make sure you knew. some people don't realize there are ongoing requirements even after you get approved

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Just wanted to mention again that if you do decide to apply and need to talk to Washington ESD about your specific situation, Claimyr really helped me get through when I couldn't reach anyone through normal phone lines. They know how to navigate their system.

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How does that work exactly? Do they call for you?

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They help you get connected to an actual person at Washington ESD. Way better than sitting on hold for hours or getting disconnected.

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The most important thing is being honest on your application about why you quit. Don't try to hide it or make something up. Washington ESD will find out anyway when they contact your employer, and lying will disqualify you completely.

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Good point. I'll be completely honest about the harassment and hostile work environment.

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Exactly. Present your case clearly and factually. Let the documentation speak for itself.

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My friend quit her job due to harassment and got unemployment but it was a real fight. She had to provide statements from coworkers, copies of complaints to HR, even medical records showing stress-related health issues. Be prepared for it to be thorough.

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Wow, medical records too? I have been having anxiety issues because of this job.

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Yeah if the work situation is affecting your health, documentation from a doctor can really help your case. Shows the impact was real and significant.

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Consider this - if the situation is truly hostile and affecting your health, staying might not be worth it even if quitting complicates unemployment. Your mental and physical health should come first.

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That's what I keep thinking. The stress is really getting to me and affecting my sleep and everything.

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Trust your instincts. No job is worth destroying your health over. There are other ways to survive financially while you look for something better.

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If you do quit make sure you file for unemployment immediately don't wait. Even if there's going to be an investigation you want to get the process started as soon as possible.

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How quickly after quitting should I file?

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File the same week you quit if possible. You can't get benefits for weeks you don't file claims, so don't delay even if you think you might be denied.

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Keep in mind that even if Washington ESD initially denies your claim, you can appeal. The appeal process gives you another chance to present your case with more detail and evidence.

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Is the appeal process complicated?

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It can be but it's often worth it if you have a strong case. You'll get a hearing where you can present evidence and testimony. Many people win on appeal even after initial denial.

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Document everything starting now. Even if you haven't been saving stuff before, start immediately. Every incident, every conversation, every email. You'll need as much evidence as possible to prove good cause.

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I'm definitely going to start keeping a detailed log of everything that happens.

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Smart. Include dates, times, witnesses, exactly what was said or done. The more detailed the better.

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One more thing - if you have any coworkers who witnessed the harassment, see if they'd be willing to provide written statements. Third party testimony can be really valuable in these cases.

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A couple of my coworkers have definitely seen what's been going on. I'll ask if they'd be comfortable writing something down.

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Even better if they're willing to talk to Washington ESD directly during the investigation, but written statements are a good start.

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Just want to echo what others said about Claimyr - when I was dealing with my claim issues I couldn't get through to Washington ESD for weeks. Claimyr got me connected to someone who actually helped resolve my problem. Definitely worth it if you end up needing to talk to them about your specific situation.

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Thanks, that's really helpful to know. I'll definitely keep that option in mind.

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Yeah I've heard good things about them too. Sometimes you just need to talk to a real person who can look at your specific case.

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Bottom line - quitting doesn't automatically disqualify you from unemployment but you'll need to prove good cause. Start documenting everything now, try to resolve the situation through proper channels first, and be prepared for the process to take some time. Good luck!

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Thank you everyone for all the advice. This has been really helpful in understanding what I need to do.

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Hope things work out for you. Nobody should have to put up with harassment at work.

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