Social Security survivor benefits confusion - will I get reduced benefits filing before FRA?
My husband passed away in February at age 70. He had waited to claim SS until his 70th birthday last October, so he was receiving maximum benefits for just a few months before his death. I'm currently 64 and started receiving my own retirement benefits in July 2024 at age 64, before my full retirement age of 67 and 2 months. I called Social Security about survivor benefits and they requested our marriage certificate, which I sent 3 weeks ago. Still waiting to hear back. From what I've been reading online, I think I'll receive reduced survivor benefits since I hadn't reached my FRA when I filed for my own benefits earlier this year. I'm confused about how much I'll actually receive - will it be a percentage of his full benefit amount? Will my early filing permanently reduce what I can get? Anyone with experience navigating survivor benefits who started their own benefits early? Any information would be really helpful right now.
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CosmicVoyager
I'm so sorry for your loss. You're right to be concerned about this. Since you filed for your own benefits before your Full Retirement Age (FRA), you will receive a reduced survivor benefit. The reduction is based on your age when you begin receiving the survivor benefits, not when you filed for your own. You have options here: 1. You can continue receiving your own reduced benefit and then switch to the survivor benefit when you reach your FRA (which would give you 100% of what your husband was receiving) 2. Or if your husband's benefit is substantially higher than yours, you might consider switching to survivor benefits now (though reduced) and then switching back to your own benefit at age 70 when it reaches its maximum. SSA should be able to tell you which option gives you the highest lifetime benefit. Did they discuss these options when you called?
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Isabella Ferreira
•Thank you for explaining this. The person I spoke with didn't really give me these options - they just requested the marriage certificate and said they'd evaluate my case. I think my husband's benefit is significantly higher than mine (he was making about $135k at retirement and I was at around $68k). Does that mean I should take the survivor benefit now even if it's reduced? I'm so confused about which path gives me more money in the long run.
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Ravi Kapoor
when my wife passed, they said i couldn't get her full bene if i took mine early. something about deemed filing. but you might beable to suspend yours and take survivor only??? the rules r confusing and the agents tell different things each time u call!!
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Freya Nielsen
•You're right, the rules changed in 2015 with deemed filing. But survivor benefits are different! That's one case where you can still choose which benefit to take first and switch later. It's super confusing.
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Omar Mahmoud
The most important thing to understand is that survivor benefits and retirement benefits are treated differently. Even with the deemed filing rules that came into effect in 2015, you still have flexibility with survivor benefits. Since you've already filed for your own retirement benefits early, you have two options: 1) If your own benefit is less than the survivor benefit (even the reduced survivor benefit), you could switch to the survivor benefit now. It will be reduced because you're before FRA, but it might still be higher than your current benefit. 2) Or you could continue with your own reduced benefit now, then switch to the full survivor benefit when you reach your FRA of 67 and 2 months. To maximize lifetime benefits, you need to calculate which strategy yields more. This depends on your current benefit amount, the reduced survivor amount, and your life expectancy. SSA should be able to calculate these amounts for you.
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Isabella Ferreira
•Thank you for this detailed explanation. Do you know roughly what percentage reduction I'd face for taking survivor benefits now at 64 instead of waiting until my FRA? I'm trying to do some math to figure out the break-even point, but I'm not sure what numbers to use.
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Chloe Harris
I WENT THRU THIS LAST YEAR!!! The SSA is TERRIBLE about explaining this stuff clearly!!! My husband also died and I was getting my own benefit early. The reduction for survivor benefits if you take them before FRA is about 0.396% per month. So if you're about 3 years before FRA, that's like a 14.3% reduction approximately. BUT STILL TAKE IT if it's higher than your current benefit!!
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Isabella Ferreira
•Thank you! That's exactly the kind of specific information I needed. I think my husband's benefit was about $3800/month and mine is only about $1950, so even with a 14.3% reduction, the survivor benefit would be higher. Did you have a long wait after submitting your marriage certificate?
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Diego Vargas
I had a really tough time getting through to SSA when my spouse passed. I kept calling and getting disconnected after being on hold for an hour or more. Finally I found a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual human at SSA within 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU and it saved me so much frustration. I was able to actually discuss my options and get clear guidance on the survivor benefits.
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Isabella Ferreira
•Thanks for this tip. I've been waiting on hold for SO long every time I try to call them. I'll check this out if I don't hear back soon. At this point I just need to speak to someone who can give me clear answers.
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NeonNinja
The most important thing to understand is that SSA will actually pay you the HIGHER of either your own benefit or the survivor benefit you're eligible for. Based on what you shared, here's what I suspect will happen: 1. Since your husband's benefit at age 70 was likely much higher than your reduced age 64 benefit, you'll probably receive a survivor benefit. 2. Because you're taking survivor benefits before your FRA, there will be a reduction - roughly 0.4% for each month before your FRA. 3. This reduction only applies to the survivor benefit, not your own retirement benefit. 4. The good news: Even with the reduction, you'll likely still receive more than your current benefit. Make sure when you talk to SSA again, ask them to calculate both options and show you which one results in the higher monthly payment.
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Isabella Ferreira
•Thank you for breaking this down so clearly. I'll definitely ask them to show me the calculations when I finally get through to them. It sounds like even with the reduction, the survivor benefit will be substantially more than what I'm getting now.
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Ravi Kapoor
my neighbor went thru this and she said make sure to ask about the one-time death benefit too. its only $255 but its something. and they don't always tell u about it!
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Isabella Ferreira
•Oh, I had no idea about this. Thank you for mentioning it. I'll definitely ask about it when I speak with them.
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Freya Nielsen
Just wanted to say I'm sorry for your loss. My mom went through this same situation last year. One thing she learned - if the SSA rep seems unsure about survivor benefit calculations, politely ask to speak with a technical expert. Some of the frontline reps aren't fully trained on all the survivor benefit nuances.
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CosmicVoyager
•This is excellent advice. Survivor benefits have some of the most complex rules in the Social Security system, and even some representatives don't deal with them frequently enough to be experts. A technical expert can provide more definitive answers.
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Isabella Ferreira
Thank you all so much for the helpful information. I'm going to try calling SSA again tomorrow and ask specifically about: 1. The exact amount I would receive if I switch to survivor benefits now vs. at my FRA 2. Whether I should continue with my own benefit or switch to survivor benefits 3. That $255 death benefit I hadn't heard about I'll ask to speak with a technical expert if the representative seems unsure. I'm feeling much more prepared now thanks to all your explanations. I'll update here once I get some answers from SSA.
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