Social Security survivor benefits - Would I get 100% of my spouse's SS at 65 if they die?
I'm trying to plan ahead for worst-case scenarios (I know, morbid but necessary). I'm 65 now and my husband is 68. He started collecting his Social Security when he was 62, so I know he's getting less than his full amount. My full retirement age is 67, but I haven't filed for any benefits yet. If my husband passes away, would I be eligible for 100% of what he's currently receiving as a survivor benefit? Or would it be a reduced amount since I'm under my FRA? I've heard different things from friends and family, and the SSA website is confusing me. Some pages seem to say survivors get 100% at FRA, others mention reduced benefits if you claim early. Would really appreciate if someone could explain how this would work in my situation. Thanks in advance.
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Chloe Robinson
As a survivor, you'd get a reduced benefit at age 65. Since you're 2 years before your FRA of 67, you'd receive approximately: - About 87.5% of your deceased husband's benefit (not 100%) - The reduction is roughly 0.396% per month before your FRA Remember though, you'd receive either your own benefit or the survivor benefit, whichever is HIGHER. Also important - the benefit is based on what your husband would have received at HIS full retirement age, not his reduced age-62 benefit. So if your husband took benefits at 62, he was receiving about 75% of his full amount. As his widow, your baseline would be what he would have received at his FRA (100%), then reduced because you're claiming at 65.
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CosmicCrusader
•Wait, so I'd actually get more than what he's currently receiving? I thought I'd just get whatever monthly amount he was already getting. This is confusing but sounds like potentially good news. So even though he took a reduced benefit by filing at 62, I would get a percentage of what he WOULD have received at his FRA? Did I understand that correctly?
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Diego Flores
This is actually a pretty complicated question because there are a few moving parts. The basic survivor benefit at YOUR full retirement age would be 100% of your deceased spouse's benefit. But since you're not at FRA yet, you'd get a reduced amount - somewhere around 91% I think? BUT - and this is important - if your husband claimed early at 62, the base amount for the survivor benefit might not just be what he was receiving. It gets complicated with something called the "RIB-LIM" rule that the SSA uses. I'd strongly suggest calling the SSA directly to get the exact calculation for your situation before making any decisions. The calculations can get really complicated.
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Anastasia Kozlov
•Good luck calling them! I spent THREE DAYS trying to get through last month. Kept getting disconnected or told to call back later. So frustrating!
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Sean Flanagan
I've been through this exact situation. Here's how it works: 1. If you claim survivor benefits before your FRA (67), they are reduced. At 65, it would be about 91.9% of the full survivor benefit. 2. The full survivor benefit is based on what's called the "higher of" formula: - Either what your husband was actually receiving when he died - OR what he would have received if he had waited until his FRA to claim 3. There's something called the RIB-LIM rule that might apply (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation). This can limit your survivor benefit if your husband claimed early. The best strategy might be to claim the reduced survivor benefit now at 65, then switch to your own retirement benefit at 70 if it would be higher by then. This lets your own benefit grow with delayed retirement credits. Hope this helps!
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CosmicCrusader
•Thank you, this is very helpful. I wasn't even considering the option of switching benefits later. So I could potentially take the survivor benefit now, then switch to my own at 70? Would my own benefit amount continue to grow even while I'm collecting the survivor benefit?
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Zara Mirza
your thinking about this all worng. first u need to know what your OWN benefit woud be cuz if its higher than his then this doesnt even matter. but yea if yours is lower then his you would get a reduced amount since ur under FRA. not 100% for sure. think its like 85% or something like that if ur 65. SSA has a chart somewhere on there website
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Diego Flores
•You're right about checking her own benefit first, but the survivor benefit is more complicated than just being reduced. Since the husband claimed early at 62, there are special rules that apply (the RIB-LIM rule). It's not as simple as just getting a reduced percentage.
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NebulaNinja
I struggled with this EXACT question last year after my husband passed. The SSA people gave me different answers every time I called! So frustrating! I eventually reached someone knowledgeable who explained that when I claim survivor benefits before my FRA, it's reduced by a percentage for each month early. But the important thing is that the base amount is usually what your spouse would have received at THEIR full retirement age, not what they were actually getting. I tried for weeks to get through to someone at Social Security who could explain all this clearly. Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent without the endless waiting. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Saved me hours of frustration and I finally got answers specific to my situation.
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Luca Russo
•Sorry for your loss. This is correct info. The widow(er) benefit calculation is based on the deceased's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), not what they were actually receiving. Since the original poster's husband claimed at 62, he was receiving approximately 75% of his PIA. Her survivor benefit would be based on 100% of his PIA (what he would've received at his FRA), then reduced because she's claiming before her own FRA. So paradoxically, she might receive MORE as a survivor than he was receiving while alive.
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CosmicCrusader
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I'm understanding this better now. So to summarize what I'm hearing: 1. I'd get a reduced percentage (around 91%) of my husband's FRA benefit amount, not just what he's currently receiving 2. This special RIB-LIM rule might affect the calculation 3. I could potentially take survivor benefits now and switch to my own later I think I need to find out what my own benefit would be at various ages to make the best decision. But at least now I understand that I wouldn't just get 100% of his current check if he passes away while I'm 65. I'm going to try to make an appointment at my local SSA office to get more specific numbers for my situation.
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NebulaNinja
•Good plan! Definitely get YOUR numbers from SSA before making decisions. And don't be surprised if you need to make multiple calls. The first person I talked to gave me completely wrong information! Make sure to speak with someone who specifically understands survivor benefits and the RIB-LIM rule. It took me several attempts to find someone who really knew these details.
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Sean Flanagan
One additional point to consider - with survivor benefits, you have flexibility that you don't have with regular retirement benefits. You can actually claim survivor benefits as early as age 60 (reduced, of course), while delaying your own retirement benefit to age 70 to maximize it. This is one of the few remaining "claim now, claim more later" strategies still available after the 2015 law changes. You might want to compare: 1. Taking reduced survivor benefit now, switching to your own at 70 2. Taking your own reduced retirement benefit now, switching to survivor later The optimal choice depends on your own earnings record compared to your husband's. SSA can run these calculations for you.
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CosmicCrusader
•That's fascinating - I had no idea this flexibility existed! This could make a huge difference in my planning. I'll definitely ask about these options when I speak with SSA. Thank you for this insight!
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Anastasia Kozlov
I'm in the EXACT same boat except I'm 63 and hubby is 69 who took SS at 62. I talked to a financial advisor who said DO NOT claim any SS untl you speak to SSA directly because the rules are SO complicated for survivor benefits. Apparently there are several different calculation methods they use and which one applies depends on your specific situation, birth year, etc. And YES survivor benfits are often higher than what the spouse was actually getting if they claimed early! Crazy system!
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Diego Flores
•This is good advice. The Social Security rules around survivor benefits are extremely complex, especially with the RIB-LIM calculation (which limits survivor benefits when the deceased claimed early). Everyone's situation is different, and small differences in circumstances can lead to completely different optimal strategies.
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