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One more thing! When your wife starts receiving the spousal benefits, they'll be subject to the same taxation rules as other Social Security benefits. Depending on your combined income, up to 85% of Social Security benefits may be taxable. Just something to factor into your retirement budget planning for next year.
wait they tax social security?? i thought that money was already taxed when we earned it! thats double taxation!
Social Security benefits can be taxable if your combined income exceeds certain thresholds. It's not double taxation in the traditional sense - only a portion of benefits become taxable (up to 85%) when your income exceeds certain levels. For married couples filing jointly, taxation begins when combined income exceeds $32,000. This is definitely something to discuss with a tax professional when planning retirement finances.
Just want to emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure to keep detailed records of all the payments and adjustments. When my parents went through this process, there was a small error in the calculation that took months to resolve. I'd recommend taking screenshots of your wife's current benefit amount from her MySocialSecurity account before you file, and then monitoring it closely after your benefits start. Also, if for some reason the automatic adjustment doesn't happen within 60 days of your first payment, don't hesitate to contact SSA immediately. Sometimes these things get stuck in the system and need a manual push. The sooner you catch any issues, the easier they are to fix and get any back payments you're owed.
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This is such a great discussion! As someone new to understanding Social Security benefits, I'm learning so much from everyone's experiences and explanations. One thing I'm curious about - Sofia mentioned her husband's benefit will be around $1,800 at FRA while hers could be $3,100 at 70. This seems like a pretty common situation where one spouse (often the wife) has significantly lower lifetime earnings. For couples in similar situations, is there any benefit to the lower-earning spouse claiming their own benefits early (like at 62) while the higher-earning spouse delays until 70? Or does that strategy have drawbacks I'm not considering? I'm trying to understand all the moving pieces before I start making my own retirement decisions.
Great question! That's actually a common strategy called "claim and delay" or "split strategy." The lower-earning spouse can claim their own reduced benefit early (like at 62) while the higher earner waits until 70. This gives the couple some immediate income while maximizing the eventual survivor benefit. The drawback is that the lower earner's benefit gets permanently reduced - if they claim at 62 instead of their FRA, they might only get 75% of their full benefit. But since they'll likely switch to the higher survivor benefit later anyway, that reduction becomes less important. Just keep in mind that once the lower earner switches to survivor benefits, they lose their own benefit entirely - they can't stack them. So in Sofia's case, even if her husband claimed his $1,800 early and it got reduced to maybe $1,350, he'd still end up with her $3,100 survivor benefit eventually, making the early reduction somewhat irrelevant in the long run.
As someone who just started learning about Social Security planning, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm amazed at how complex the survivor benefit calculations can be. One thing that really stands out to me is how the timing strategy can literally be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime. If Sofia delays to 70 and her husband lives another 20+ years after she passes, that extra $450/month ($3,100 vs $2,650) adds up to over $100,000 in additional benefits! I'm curious though - are there any scenarios where this delay strategy might backfire? Like what if both spouses have serious health concerns, or what if tax implications make the higher benefit less advantageous? I want to make sure I understand both the benefits AND the potential downsides before I start planning my own strategy. Also, does anyone know if these delayed retirement credit rules are expected to change in the coming years? I've heard there might be Social Security reforms, and I'm wondering if that could affect the math for younger people like me who won't hit FRA for another 25+ years.
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I'm so sorry for your loss, Noah. It's heartening to see how this community has come together to help you navigate such a difficult process during an already challenging time. As someone who works in benefits advocacy, I wanted to add one important point that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you have any minor children or disabled adult children who were dependent on your husband, they may also be eligible for survivor benefits. These are separate from your widow's benefits and can provide additional financial support. Even if your children are away at college (under 19 and full-time students), they might qualify. Also, regarding your MySocialSecurity account - while others mentioned it doesn't always update well for survivor benefits, it will be crucial for managing your benefits once they're established. You'll be able to get benefit statements, change direct deposit information, and request replacement benefit letters through the portal. One last tip for your November 14th call: if the representative seems rushed or you feel like you're not getting clear answers, don't hesitate to politely ask to speak with a supervisor. Survivor benefits are complex, and you deserve to have all your questions answered thoroughly. You're entitled to this benefit - you've earned it through your husband's work history. Best of luck with your appointment, and please do update us afterward. Your experience could help other community members facing similar situations.
Thank you for mentioning the children's benefits - that's such an important point that often gets overlooked! Fortunately, my children are both adults and financially independent, but I can see how that information would be crucial for families with younger kids or disabled dependents. Your point about not hesitating to ask for a supervisor is really valuable too. I tend to be overly polite and might just accept unclear answers, but you're absolutely right that I deserve to have everything explained thoroughly. This is such an important process and I need to make sure I understand everything completely. I'm definitely planning to update everyone after my November 14th appointment. This community has been such a lifeline during this process - from helping me understand that the long wait times weren't unusual, to providing all these detailed tips I never would have known to ask about. If my experience can help even one other person navigate this more smoothly, it will be worth sharing. Thank you for the professional perspective and encouragement. It really helps to know that advocates like you are out there supporting people through these complex systems.
Noah, I'm so sorry for your loss. What a journey this has been for you - from that frustrating December appointment to getting the November 14th slot! I went through the survivor benefits process myself about 18 months ago, and I wish I'd had access to a thread like this with all this incredible advice. The community has really covered everything comprehensively. One small thing I'd add to your excellent preparation list: have a quiet, private space set up for your November 14th call. I made the mistake of taking my interview call while my grandkids were visiting, and I had to ask the representative to repeat several important details because of the background noise. These calls can last 45-60 minutes, so you'll want to be somewhere comfortable where you can focus completely. Also, keep a pen and paper handy during the call - not just for the confirmation number, but they'll give you several reference numbers, timeline estimates, and next steps that you'll want to write down. I tried to rely on memory and ended up calling back later to clarify things I'd forgotten. You're going to do great. The fact that you've been so proactive and organized through all of this shows real strength during such a difficult time. Looking forward to your update after the 14th!
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My husband and I went through this exact same situation last year. Filed 5 months after his FRA and requested backdating. The Medicare premium refund was a complete nightmare - Social Security and Medicare kept pointing fingers at each other saying the other agency needed to handle it. We finally got it sorted, but it took calling SSA multiple times. Just be persistent!
Oh no, that sounds frustrating! Thanks for the warning - I'll prepare myself for some potential back-and-forth between agencies.
I just want to add that when my dad applied for his benefits about 3 months after his FRA, the SSA representative he spoke with was really helpful in explaining the Medicare premium situation upfront. She actually made a note in his file about the separate Medicare payments he'd been making, which seemed to speed up the refund process later. So definitely mention those separate payments during the application - it can save you headaches down the road. Also, the online application really is straightforward. Just make sure you have his Social Security card, birth certificate, and tax returns from the last couple years handy before you start.
That's really helpful advice about having the SSA representative make a note in the file! I'll definitely emphasize the separate Medicare payments we've been making when we apply. It sounds like being proactive about documenting this upfront can save a lot of hassle later. Thanks for the tip about having all those documents ready too - I'll make sure we gather everything before starting the online application.
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Just want to add that you should also ask SSA for a copy of your updated benefit computation when they do the recalculation. They can provide a breakdown showing exactly which years of earnings they used and how your new earnings affected the calculation. This documentation is helpful for your records and can also help you understand whether the recalculation gave you the maximum possible benefit increase. Sometimes people are eligible for additional adjustments they weren't initially given.
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Romeo Barrett
•This is really good advice about getting the documentation! I never would have thought to ask for the actual computation breakdown. That way I can see exactly which years they used and make sure they didn't miss any of my work years. Thanks for the tip!
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Ravi Sharma
I'm in a similar situation - been on SSDI for 9 years and working part-time the whole time. This thread is incredibly helpful! I had no idea I could request a recalculation when I hit retirement age. I always assumed they just automatically switched you over at the same amount. Now I'm definitely going to be proactive about this when my time comes. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it's given me hope that my years of part-time work might actually pay off in a higher monthly benefit!
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Fatima Al-Hashimi
•That's exactly how I felt when I first learned about this! I had just assumed the transition was automatic with no possibility of an increase. It's amazing how much valuable information gets shared in communities like this that you'd never know to ask SSA about directly. Definitely save this thread and refer back to it when you're getting close to your retirement age - there's so much good practical advice here about the specific terms to use and what documentation to request.
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