Will my husband's early SS filing affect my survivor benefits at 61? No work credits of my own
My husband passed away last week at 82 (would have turned 83 next month). I'm completely lost about my survivor benefit situation. I'm planning to take survivor benefits at 61 because I need the income now, and I understand I'll get approximately 71.5% of the full survivor benefit due to taking it early. Here's what's confusing me - I don't actually know if my husband claimed his Social Security early or waited until his full retirement age. Would his decision to potentially take benefits early affect the base amount my reduced percentage gets calculated from? Or does SSA recalculate based on his full benefit amount regardless of when he claimed? I don't have enough work credits to qualify for my own retirement benefit, so survivor benefits are my only option. Any help understanding this would be so appreciated.
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Jasmine Hernandez
sorry for ur loss. my mom was in similar situation when dad died. SSA will use his actual benifit amount he was getting when he died to figure out yours, if he took it early then yes it will be less than if he waited
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Axel Far
•Thank you for your condolences. That's what I was afraid of. I wish I had asked him more about his claiming decision when he was still here. I guess I'll need to ask SSA what his actual benefit amount was.
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Luis Johnson
I'm very sorry for your loss. The answer is a bit more nuanced than the previous comment suggests. You'll receive the higher of: 1. The benefit your husband was receiving at his death, or 2. 82.5% of his Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is what he would have received at his Full Retirement Age (FRA) This is called the "widow(er)'s limit" or "RIB-LIM" provision. So if your husband took benefits early, you might still receive a benefit based on his unreduced PIA. Then your age reduction (71.5% at age 61) would be applied to that amount. I strongly recommend making an appointment with SSA to discuss your specific situation, as they can calculate the exact numbers based on your husband's earnings record.
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Axel Far
•Oh! That makes me feel a little better. So even if he did take it early, I might not be penalized twice. I'll definitely make an appointment with SSA. Do you know how long it typically takes to get an appointment these days?
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Ellie Kim
Getting an appointment with SSA right now is NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! I've been trying for WEEKS for my own widow benefits and can't get through on the phone. It's absolutely ridiculous how they expect elderly people to deal with this system when we're grieving!!! The online system keeps giving me errors and the local office is booked for MONTHS.
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Fiona Sand
•I had the same problem trying to reach SSA last month about my wife's survivor benefits. After 3 days of constant busy signals, I found this service called Claimyr that got me through to a real person at SSA in about 20 minutes. They basically wait on hold for you and call when an agent picks up. Saved me hours of frustration. Their website is claimyr.com and they have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Definitely worth it for something this important.
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Mohammad Khaled
To provide some additional technical clarification on the earlier responses: The RIB-LIM rule that was mentioned is designed specifically to protect survivors when the deceased worker claimed benefits early. Here's how it works: If your husband claimed early at age 62, he would have received approximately 75% of his PIA (Primary Insurance Amount). As his widow, you would be entitled to the higher of: 1. 100% of what he was receiving (his reduced benefit) 2. 82.5% of his PIA (the special RIB-LIM rule amount) After determining that base amount, your age reduction for claiming at 61 (71.5%) would be applied. You can request a Social Security statement that will show exactly what your husband was receiving. Bring your marriage certificate, his death certificate, and your ID when you meet with SSA.
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Alina Rosenthal
•my husban died last yr and i didnt know about this RIB LIM thing, nobody at ssa mentioned it to me, do u think they calculated it wrong? how do i check?
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Mohammad Khaled
•It's definitely worth checking. Unfortunately, SSA representatives don't always explain all the provisions that might apply to your case. Call SSA and specifically ask them if the RIB-LIM provision was considered in your survivor benefit calculation. You can request a detailed explanation of how your benefit was calculated. If you find there was an error, you can request a reconsideration.
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Finnegan Gunn
The other thing nobody mentioned is you should apply for the one-time death benefit of $255. It's not much but every little bit helps. My condolences on your loss.
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Axel Far
•Thank you for that reminder. I did read about that small death benefit somewhere. I'll make sure to ask about it when I speak with someone at SSA.
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Alina Rosenthal
when my husband died i had so much trouble with ssa they kept asking for more paperwork every time i called its like they dont want to pay me whats mine i finally got benefits but it took 4 months and i nearly lost my house waiting
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Ellie Kim
•THIS is exactly what I'm afraid of!!! The system is BROKEN and they don't care that we have bills to pay while they drag their feet!!! My neighbor waited SIX MONTHS for her survivor benefits to start! How are we supposed to live???
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Luis Johnson
One more important note: If your husband was receiving a government pension from work not covered by Social Security (like some federal, state, or local government jobs), the Government Pension Offset (GPO) might affect your survivor benefits. It's essential to mention this to SSA if it applies. Also, survivor benefits should be applied for promptly as they can only be backdated for up to six months. Given the current processing times, I'd recommend applying as soon as possible, even if you don't have all documentation ready. You can always provide additional documents later.
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Axel Far
•That's good to know about the six-month limitation. My husband worked for a private company his entire career, so I don't think the government pension offset would apply in my case. But I'll definitely apply right away. Better safe than sorry.
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Fiona Sand
After trying for weeks, I finally got through to SSA about my survivor benefits using Claimyr (claimyr.com). They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. What I learned is that my wife had claimed early at 62, but I still got the higher amount based on that RIB-LIM rule others mentioned. The agent even said many people who answer the phones don't understand it correctly, so it's worth specifically asking about. The call saved me thousands of dollars over my lifetime.
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Jasmine Hernandez
•is that service expensive? seems weird to pay money just to talk to the government
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Axel Far
Thank you everyone for all the helpful information. I've written down questions about the RIB-LIM provision to ask specifically when I speak with SSA. I'll try calling them tomorrow morning, and if I can't get through, I might try that Claimyr service someone mentioned. I'm still grieving, but knowing what to expect helps me feel a little more in control of the situation. I'll update here once I've been able to speak with SSA about my specific benefit calculation.
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Luis Johnson
•That sounds like a good plan. Call early in the morning (right when they open) for the best chance of getting through. And remember to have your husband's Social Security number, your marriage certificate (or at least the date and place of marriage), and his death certificate information ready when you call. Wishing you all the best during this difficult time.
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