Will I get survivor benefits if I claim SS at FRA but husband claimed early? Need calculation help
Been trying to figure out survivor benefits and getting confused with all the different rules. Here's my situation: I'm 68 and waited until my full retirement age (66 + 8 months) to start collecting my Social Security. My monthly benefit is about $2,850. My husband is 70 and claimed his benefits when he was 63 because of health concerns (heart condition). His monthly benefit now is around $2,210. I know if I die first, he keeps his higher benefit, but I'm really concerned about what happens to me financially if he passes before me. Would I be eligible for survivor benefits even though I already receive more than him monthly? And if I am eligible, would I get his full benefit amount or is it reduced because he claimed early? The SSA website just confuses me more when I try to figure this out. Thanks for any help understanding this!
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Sofia Ramirez
Yes, you would be eligible for survivor benefits, but since your own benefit is higher than what your husband's survivor benefit would be, you would just continue receiving your own benefit. When someone claims early, their survivor benefit is reduced, but not as much as their retirement benefit. Your husband claiming at 63 means his survivor benefit to you would be about 82.5% of his Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). However, since your current benefit of $2,850 exceeds this amount, you would simply keep receiving your higher benefit after he passes.
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Dylan Cooper
•Thank you for explaining! So just to be clear, I wouldn't receive any additional money on top of my current benefit? I thought maybe I'd get my benefit PLUS something from his record.
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Dmitry Volkov
My husband died last year and I had the same question!! The SSA rep told me you only get ONE benefit - either your own OR the survivor benefit, whichever is HIGHER. Not both. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :
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Dylan Cooper
•I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing your experience - that helps me understand better. It's disappointing you can't get both, but at least I know what to expect now.
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StarSeeker
wait i thought survivor benefits werent reduced if the person was already receiving benefits? something abt the RIB-LIM rule? my neighbor gets her late husbands full amount even tho he took ss at 62
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Sofia Ramirez
•You're partly right. The RIB-LIM rule does come into play with survivor benefits, but it doesn't always guarantee full benefits. If your neighbor's husband had a significantly higher PIA than her own benefit, she might get a higher amount even after reduction. Each case is different based on earnings records and claiming ages.
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Ava Martinez
I went through this exact situation last year. After my husband passed away, I spent TWO MONTHS trying to get through to someone at Social Security to explain my options. I would call at exactly 8:00 AM and still couldn't get through. Finally tried this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an agent in about 20 minutes. They have this demo video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The SSA agent confirmed what others are saying - you only get the higher of your own benefit or the survivor benefit, not both combined. In my case, since I had the higher benefit, nothing changed financially after my husband passed except I received a one-time death payment of $255.
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Dylan Cooper
•I've been having trouble getting through to SSA too! Their phone lines are always busy when I call. Thanks for the Claimyr tip - I'll check out that video. And thanks for confirming about the benefits. That small death benefit seems almost insulting considering how much we pay into the system over our lives.
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Miguel Ortiz
The system is RIGGED against married couples who BOTH worked and paid into the system their ENTIRE LIVES!!! My wife and I both worked 40+ years, both paid thousands into SS, and when I die she gets NOTHING extra despite all I paid in. Meanwhile my neighbor's wife never worked a day in her life and will get 100% of his benefit when he dies. HOW IS THIS FAIR??!!!
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StarSeeker
•thats exactly what bothers me too! my sister hasnt worked in 30 yrs and will get her husbands full benefit when he passes but my wife who worked forever cant get any of mine bc she makes more. total bs system
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Zainab Omar
To clarify some misinformation in this thread: When your spouse passes away, you're eligible for survivor benefits equal to what your deceased spouse was receiving if they had already filed, or what they would have received at their FRA if they hadn't yet filed. If your spouse claimed early (like at 63), the RIB-LIM rule (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation) comes into play. This means you'd receive the HIGHER of: 1. The actual amount your husband was receiving when he died (~$2,210 based on your post) 2. 82.5% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount BUT, you only receive ONE benefit - either your own retirement benefit OR the survivor benefit, whichever is HIGHER. Since your current benefit ($2,850) exceeds your potential survivor benefit, you would continue to receive your own benefit with no changes. The one exception is the lump-sum death payment of $255 that is payable to a surviving spouse who was living with the deceased.
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Dylan Cooper
•Thank you for the detailed explanation! That makes it very clear. So basically, since I already receive more than my husband, there won't be any change to my benefit amount if he passes before me. I guess that's fair since I'm already getting the higher amount, but it still feels like all those years he contributed should count for something more.
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Connor Murphy
When my husband died two years ago, I was so confused about all this! The Social Security office told me to bring in marriage certificate, his death certificate, our most recent tax return, and both our Social Security cards to discuss survivor benefits. Just a tip if you're planning ahead.
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Dylan Cooper
UPDATE: I finally got through to SSA after trying for three days straight! The agent confirmed that because my own benefit is higher, I wouldn't receive any additional money as a survivor benefit if my husband passes away. She explained that the system is designed to provide the higher of the two benefits, not both. She also mentioned that there would be a one-time death benefit of $255 (which seems so small compared to what we've paid in). Thank you all for your helpful responses - they helped me ask the right questions when I finally got through!
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Dmitry Volkov
•Glad you got through! That $255 death benefit hasn't increased since the 1950s if you can believe it. Doesn't even cover a fraction of funeral costs these days.
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Miguel Ortiz
Something nobody mentioned - if your husband passes, MAKE SURE you contact SSA immediately. My mother didn't report my father's death quickly, kept receiving his benefits, and had to pay everything back plus penalties. They don't automatically know about the death, and they will demand every penny back if they keep paying his benefits!
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Dylan Cooper
•That's really good advice - thank you! I'll definitely keep that in mind. Last thing anyone needs during grief is financial complications.
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