Will my husband's survivor benefits be reduced if he takes Social Security early at 63 but I die before my FRA?
I'm trying to understand survivor benefits in our specific situation. I'm turning 66 this April and planning to wait until my Full Retirement Age to start collecting Social Security. My husband is turning 63 next month and recently quit his job. He's considering filing for his SS benefits right away at 63. Here's what's keeping me up at night: What happens if I die before I start collecting? My projected benefit at FRA will be roughly $2,800 monthly, nearly double his expected $1,500 if he claims at 63. Will his survivor benefits be reduced because he started collecting early? Or would he still be entitled to my full benefit amount based on my age when I pass, even if I hadn't started collecting yet? We're trying to make the best financial decisions, but the survivor benefit rules are confusing me. Any insights from those who understand these complicated rules would be so appreciated!
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Alice Coleman
If you die before claiming benefits, your husband would be eligible for survivor benefits based on what your benefit would have been at the time of your death. His early retirement reduction would NOT affect his survivor benefits. So in your scenario, if you pass away after reaching your FRA but before claiming, he would be eligible for 100% of your FRA benefit amount (the $2,800). If you died before reaching your FRA, the survivor benefit would be reduced to account for your age at death. One important note: When he becomes a survivor, he would have choices. He could either: 1. Continue his own reduced retirement benefit and then switch to the higher survivor benefit later 2. Take the survivor benefit immediately and switch to his own benefit later if it would be higher The rules are complex but definitely worth understanding for financial planning.
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Sofia Price
•Thank you so much for explaining! That's a huge relief. So just to make sure I understand correctly - if I die after reaching my FRA (even if I haven't filed yet), he gets 100% of what my benefit would have been. But his decision to take his own benefits early doesn't penalize him for survivor benefits. That makes me feel better about our planning.
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Owen Jenkins
My husband started collecting at 62 and I waited until 70. When he became widower two years ago the SSA office COMPLETELY messed up his survivor benefits!!! Took us 3 MONTHS of fighting to get it corrected. They tried to give him reduced amount cause he took his early even tho thats NOT how it works!!! Make sure ur husband knows the rules better than they do! Print something from SSA website that explains it and take it with when he applies after ur gone (sorry to be blunt). The amount he gets from his OWN benefit has NOTHING to do with survivor benefits he'd get from yours!!!
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Sofia Price
•Oh my goodness, that sounds like a nightmare! I'm so sorry you had to fight to get what was rightfully owed. Thank you for the tip about bringing documentation - I'm going to research and print out the relevant SSA policies just in case.
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Lilah Brooks
Sorry about thinking of this stuff, but good planning. My mom just went thru this exact thing with my dad passing last year. The survivor benefit is based on the deceased's benefit amount (or what they would have received). Your hubby filing early only affects HIS own benefit, not what he'd get as your survivor.
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Sofia Price
•Thanks for sharing your mom's experience. It definitely helps to hear from someone who's been through this recently. I know it's not pleasant to think about, but I want to make sure we're making informed decisions.
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Jackson Carter
I was in a similar situation and spent WEEKS trying to get through to SSA on the phone. The wait times were ridiculous - kept getting disconnected after waiting 2+ hours! I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual SSA agent within 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent I spoke with confirmed exactly what others are saying here - survivor benefits are based on the deceased spouse's record and age at death, not on whether the surviving spouse took benefits early. Huge relief to get a definitive answer directly from SSA.
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Kolton Murphy
•does that service really work? i've been trying to reach someone at SS for dayssss about something similar
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Jackson Carter
•Yes, it absolutely worked for me. After three failed attempts waiting on hold for hours, I was skeptical, but they got me through to a real person quickly. Worth it when you need answers about something this important.
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Evelyn Rivera
Let me clear up a few technical points that might help in your planning: 1. Survivor benefits are calculated based on the deceased's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) or actual benefit amount if they were receiving benefits. 2. If you die after reaching FRA but before filing, your husband would be eligible for 100% of your PIA. 3. If you die before reaching FRA, your husband would receive a reduced amount based on the Retirement Insurance Benefit-Limitation (RIB-LIM) provision. 4. Your husband's decision to take his own benefits early results in a permanent reduction to HIS retirement benefit only. This reduction does NOT carry over to survivor benefits. 5. When he becomes eligible for survivor benefits, he would effectively have two separate benefits and could choose which to receive at different points in time. SSA Publication No. 05-10084 covers this in detail if you want to reference the official policy.
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Julia Hall
•what does RIB-LIM mean?? never heard of that before
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Evelyn Rivera
•RIB-LIM stands for Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation. It's a provision that limits survivor benefits when the deceased passed away before reaching their Full Retirement Age. Essentially, if someone dies before their FRA, the survivor benefit is limited to the larger of: (1) 82.5% of the deceased's PIA, or (2) the actual benefit the deceased would have received if they had been receiving benefits. It's one of those technical SSA terms that doesn't come up in everyday conversation.
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Kolton Murphy
my wifes ben collecting since 62 and im waiting til 67 this fall. our financial guy said the EXACT same thing as these folks. her filing early dont affect my survivor benefits if i kick the bucket first. its a seperate calculation.
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Lilah Brooks
•This is exactly right. I remember the SSA rep used those same words when I called - "separate calculation" - when explaining why my early filing didn't impact what I'd get as a survivor.
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Julia Hall
Actually i think it DOES matter!!! my cousin started SS early and when her husband died she got LESS than his full amount. something about combined family maximum or something. you should double check with SSA directly.
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Evelyn Rivera
•You're partially right, but likely referring to a different situation. The Family Maximum Benefit (FMB) is a cap on the total benefits payable on one worker's record when there are multiple beneficiaries (like young children). It doesn't apply in the scenario described where there's just a surviving spouse. What might have happened with your cousin is either: 1) Her husband died before his FRA, triggering the RIB-LIM provision I mentioned above, or 2) There were other beneficiaries involved like dependent children. In the original poster's scenario, if she dies after reaching FRA, her husband would be eligible for 100% of her benefit amount regardless of when he started his own benefits.
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Sofia Price
Thank you all for the incredibly helpful responses. This has been so educational! It sounds like the consensus is that my husband's decision to take his benefits early won't affect his potential survivor benefits if I pass away after reaching my FRA (even if I haven't filed yet). I'm going to look up that SSA Publication No. 05-10084 that was mentioned and print it out for our records. Also going to bookmark that Claimyr service in case we need to speak directly with SSA about this or other matters. Now we can make our decisions with better information. We were considering having him delay filing, but knowing this makes his early filing less concerning from a worst-case scenario perspective.
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