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Welcome to the reality of being a public servant in America! I'm a retired federal employee who went through something similar with my CSRS pension and Social Security. A few things that might help as you navigate this: 1. **Document everything** - Keep records of all your Social Security earnings from your side job. Sometimes SSA's records aren't complete, and you'll want proof of what you paid in. 2. **Consider the "last day" rule** - Some teachers have successfully avoided WEP by ensuring their last day of work before retirement is at a job where they pay into Social Security (like your side job). This is tricky and depends on your state's rules, but worth researching. 3. **Health insurance planning** - Since your Social Security income will be lower than expected, make sure you understand what health benefits you'll have as a retired teacher. Many states have good retiree health plans that can save you thousands compared to individual market insurance. 4. **Tax considerations** - Your teacher pension might be partially taxable depending on your state, while Social Security has its own taxation rules. A tax professional familiar with retirement income can help you plan withdrawal strategies. The system is definitely unfair to public servants, but knowing the rules helps you plan around them. Good luck!
This is such valuable advice, thank you! I hadn't thought about the "last day" rule - that's really interesting. I'll definitely need to research whether that applies in my state. The documentation point is also great - I should probably request my full earnings record from SSA to make sure everything is accurate. The health insurance aspect is huge too. I know my state offers decent retiree health benefits for teachers, but I need to understand exactly what the costs will be and when coverage starts. Do you happen to know if there are any other creative strategies teachers have used to work around these provisions? I'm willing to do some extra planning if it means getting a better outcome!
Another strategy to look into is the "substantial earnings" test for WEP. If you have 30+ years of "substantial earnings" (around $29,700 for 2024, adjusted annually), WEP is completely eliminated. Even 20-29 years of substantial earnings reduces the WEP penalty significantly. Since you've been working your side job since 1985, you might be closer to this threshold than you think! Check your earnings record carefully - some years where you worked both teaching and your side job might count toward substantial earnings if the combined income was high enough. Also, regarding the "last day" rule - it's state-specific and can be risky. Some teachers have tried switching to substitute teaching or working for a private school for their final day, but this requires very careful coordination with your pension system. Don't attempt this without consulting your state's teacher retirement office first, as it could potentially affect your pension eligibility. One more tip: if you have any IRAs or 401(k)s from previous non-teaching jobs, consider how those withdrawals will affect your overall tax situation in retirement, especially since you'll have limited Social Security income to work with.
I'm a newer federal employee and this thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I had no idea about WEP and GPO until I started researching my own retirement planning. It's shocking how these provisions can essentially wipe out benefits that people have legitimately earned. @Anastasia Popova - your situation really highlights how complex this gets when you have multiple income sources. One thing I'd suggest is also checking if your side job earnings might help you reach that "substantial earnings" threshold that @Finnegan Gunn mentioned. Even if you don't hit 30 years, getting to 20+ years could significantly reduce your WEP penalty. Also, have you looked into whether your state participates in Social Security for teachers? A few states (like Ohio and Texas) have transitioned some or all of their teachers into Social Security, which eliminates these offset issues entirely. Unfortunately, most states haven't made this change. The advocacy point that others mentioned is really important too. Organizations like the National Education Association and AARP regularly push for WEP/GPO reform. The more people who understand and speak up about these unfair provisions, the better chance we have of seeing change someday.
As someone just starting to learn about these provisions, I'm honestly shocked by how unfair this system seems! Reading through everyone's experiences here has been both educational and depressing. It feels like people who chose to serve the public through teaching, firefighting, etc. are being penalized for that choice. @Ana Rusula, you make a great point about the substantial earnings threshold. @Anastasia Popova, definitely check your earnings record carefully - if you've been working that side job since 1985, you might have more years of substantial earnings than you realize, especially if there were years where your combined teaching + side job income was higher. I'm curious though - are there any success stories out there? Has anyone managed to navigate these rules in a way that worked out better than expected? Or found any loopholes that actually helped? It seems like most of the stories I'm hearing are pretty discouraging, but maybe there are some positive outcomes too? This thread is making me reconsider my own career path honestly. The fact that choosing public service could mean getting less in retirement benefits than what you actually paid into the system just seems fundamentally wrong.
As someone new to this community and facing my first SSA disability application, this entire discussion has been absolutely invaluable! I was dreading the phone call process after hearing so many nightmare stories, but seeing Freya's success at 7:22 PM and all the strategies everyone has shared gives me real hope. I'm taking notes on everything: the Tuesday-Thursday 7-9 AM timing window, the dedicated disability hotline (1-800-325-0778), setting up the my Social Security account beforehand, and all the backup options like DDS offices and congressional representatives. It's incredible how much practical wisdom this community has accumulated through trial and error. The fact that we all have to become experts in bureaucracy navigation just to get basic information about our own cases is frustrating, but I'm so grateful for forums like this where people share what actually works. Thank you all for creating such a comprehensive survival guide for dealing with SSA - you're making this intimidating process much more manageable for newcomers like me!
Welcome to what I like to call the "SSA survival community"! It's so encouraging to see newcomers like you and others finding hope in this thread despite how overwhelming the system can seem at first. I'm relatively new to navigating SSA myself, and honestly, this discussion has been more helpful than any official guidance I've found anywhere else. The fact that so many people have shared their hard-won strategies - from the specific timing windows to those alternative contact methods most of us never knew existed - really shows how supportive this community is. It shouldn't take a village to figure out how to access our own benefits, but I'm grateful we have each other to share what works! I'm bookmarking this entire thread as my go-to reference guide. Between all the phone numbers, timing tips, and backup strategies like congressional offices, I feel like I have a actual roadmap now instead of just hoping for the best. Good luck with your application - it sounds like we're all in this together!
As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this entire thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! I'm just beginning my own disability application process and was honestly terrified about the phone call aspect after hearing so many horror stories. But seeing Freya's success story of getting through at 7:22 PM after being on hold for hours, combined with all the amazing strategies everyone has shared, has given me so much hope and practical knowledge. I've been taking detailed notes on everything shared here: the Tuesday-Thursday 7-9 AM golden window, the dedicated disability hotline at 1-800-325-0778, setting up the my Social Security account proactively, and all those backup approaches like contacting DDS offices directly or even reaching out to congressional representatives. I had no idea any of these alternative pathways existed! It's both frustrating and eye-opening to realize how much we all have to become amateur experts in bureaucracy navigation just to access basic information about our own cases. But what's truly amazing is how this community has turned that shared struggle into a comprehensive survival guide. The collective wisdom here is more valuable than any official documentation I've found. Thank you all for being so generous with sharing your hard-won knowledge - you're making this intimidating process feel much more manageable for people like me who are just starting out!
You should check your Medicare paperwork very carefully. When you first signed up for Medicare, you had choices to make about Part D coverage. If you didn't specifically decline Part D, you might have been automatically enrolled in a plan. My advice is to call the number on your Medicare card and ask for clarification about what plans you're currently enrolled in before making any changes.
I went through this exact same situation last year! Here's what I learned: First, you need to determine if your Blue Cross Blue Shield plan is actually a Medicare Supplement (Medigap) policy or a Medicare Advantage plan. True Medigap policies don't include prescription coverage, but some Medicare Advantage plans do. Call BCBS and ask specifically if your plan provides "creditable prescription drug coverage" that meets Medicare standards. If it does, they should be able to send you a letter confirming this. Then you can use that letter to disenroll from Part D by calling SSA or submitting the CMS-1763 form. But be absolutely certain your coverage is creditable first - the late enrollment penalties for Part D are permanent and can add up to hundreds of dollars per year if you ever need to re-enroll later!
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation myself - just started getting Social Security last month and I'm also confused about all these different Medicare parts and supplements. Can you tell me how long it took for SSA to process your disenrollment once you submitted the form? And did they refund any premiums that were already deducted? I'm worried about making the wrong choice and getting stuck with penalties later.
Just want to echo what others have said about reporting your earnings IMMEDIATELY - this is crucial! I made the mistake of waiting a few months to report when I went back to work after early retirement, and it created a huge headache with overpayments. One thing that might help you decide between withdrawal vs. earnings test: consider your cash flow needs. With withdrawal, you need that $14,800 upfront to repay, but then you're done with SS complications while working. With the earnings test route, you'll have the ongoing hassle of annual reporting and potential overpayment issues if your income varies. Also, since you mentioned this job was unexpected, make sure you factor in job security. If there's any chance this position might not last the full 3-4 years, that could influence whether paying back benefits now makes sense. The SSA benefit calculators are helpful, but honestly, given the complexity and dollar amounts involved, it might be worth paying for an hour consultation with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security strategies. The withdrawal deadline is firm at 12 months, so you have some time but not unlimited time to decide.
This is such great practical advice! The cash flow angle is really important - I hadn't thought about the ongoing reporting hassle vs. the upfront payment tradeoff. You're absolutely right about job security too - while this opportunity seems solid, nothing is guaranteed these days. The idea of consulting with a Social Security specialist makes a lot of sense given how much money is potentially at stake here. I keep seeing different numbers thrown around for the benefit increases, so having someone run personalized calculations would probably be worth the cost. Thanks for the reality check on the 12-month deadline - I definitely don't want to let that slip by while I'm overthinking this decision!
Ben, I'm in a very similar situation! Started taking SS at 62 last year and just got a job offer that would put me way over the earnings limit. After reading through all these responses, I wanted to share what I learned from my research: The withdrawal option (SSA-521) might be your best bet since you're still within that 12-month window. I calculated my situation and even though I'd have to pay back about $18k in benefits, the higher monthly payments from waiting until 66 would break even in about 8-9 years. At our age, that math usually works out favorably. One thing I found helpful was using the detailed calculators on the SSA website - not just the quick estimator, but the more comprehensive ones that factor in your specific earnings history. Since you mentioned your previous job was lower paying, these high-earning years at $85k will definitely boost your benefit calculation. Also wanted to second what others said about calling SSA immediately to report your earnings. I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned and it was a lifesaver - got through to an actual person in about 30 minutes instead of the hours I was spending on hold. The Medicare enrollment timing is definitely something to keep in mind too if you're approaching 65. Good luck with whatever you decide!
Thanks so much for sharing your similar experience, Freya! It's really helpful to hear from someone going through the exact same situation. The 8-9 year breakeven point you calculated sounds similar to what I'm seeing in my rough estimates. I'm definitely leaning more toward the withdrawal option after reading everyone's advice here. The idea of a clean slate and higher monthly payments down the road seems to outweigh the hassle of paying back the $14,800 upfront. I'll definitely check out those detailed SSA calculators you mentioned - I think I was only looking at the basic ones. And thanks for the tip about Claimyr! I was dreading trying to get through to SSA, but if it really works that well it'll be worth it. Did you end up going with the withdrawal option for your situation?
Brady Clean
I just want to echo what everyone else has said and add my own encouragement - definitely pursue this! I went through a very similar situation about 3 years ago. I was also on SSDI (due to a back injury) and had been divorced for over 2 years from my ex who was in a high-earning profession. The process was honestly easier than I expected once I got past the initial phone call hurdle. I ended up getting an extra $380/month, which has made such a difference in my ability to cover basic expenses. What really surprised me was that I qualified for about 8 months of retroactive payments since I had been eligible but just didn't know about it. One thing I'd suggest is to go into your appointment with realistic expectations but also don't be afraid to advocate for yourself. The first SSA representative I spoke with seemed to be discouraging me from applying, almost like it wasn't worth the paperwork. But I persisted and I'm so glad I did. Also, don't let anyone make you feel guilty about claiming benefits on your ex's record. You paid into the system during your marriage just like he did, and you're entitled to these benefits. It doesn't take anything away from him and he'll never even know unless you tell him. Good luck - I have a really good feeling this is going to work out well for you!
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Michael Green
•Wow, this is exactly what I needed to hear! Your experience gives me so much hope - $380 extra per month would be absolutely life-changing for me right now. And the fact that you got retroactive payments too is incredible! I had no idea that was even possible. Your point about not feeling guilty really resonates with me. I've been feeling a bit awkward about this whole thing, like I'm somehow taking advantage of the system or being unfair to my ex. But you're absolutely right - I paid into Social Security during our marriage too, and this is a legitimate benefit I'm entitled to. Thank you for the encouragement about advocating for myself. I tend to be pretty passive in these situations, especially with government agencies, but this is too important to my financial stability to just give up if the first person I talk to seems discouraging. I'm definitely going to move forward with this process. Everyone's shared experiences and advice in this thread have been invaluable - I feel like I actually understand what I'm doing now instead of just stumbling around in the dark. Here goes nothing!
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Isabella Costa
I've been following this thread and wanted to add something that might help expedite your process - consider bringing a trusted friend or family member to your SSA appointment if possible. Sometimes having another set of ears can be really helpful when they're explaining complex benefit calculations, especially if you're feeling overwhelmed or anxious. Also, I noticed you mentioned lupus in your original post. If your condition affects your cognitive function at all (brain fog, memory issues, etc.), don't hesitate to mention this to the SSA representative. They're supposed to accommodate people with disabilities during these appointments, which might include taking extra time to explain things clearly or providing written summaries of what was discussed. One more practical tip - if your local SSA office offers appointments, try to schedule for early in the day. The staff tends to be fresher and more patient in the morning, and you won't have to deal with the afternoon rush of people coming in after work. Based on everything you've shared about your marriage length and your ex's career in IT, I'm really optimistic this could provide meaningful financial relief for you. You've gotten such great advice in this thread - you're definitely prepared to navigate this successfully!
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Thais Soares
•This is such thoughtful advice! I really appreciate the suggestion about bringing someone with me to the appointment. I do sometimes struggle with brain fog from my lupus, especially when I'm stressed or dealing with complex information, so having an extra set of ears would definitely be helpful. You make a great point about mentioning my cognitive symptoms to the SSA rep. I sometimes forget that brain fog is a legitimate part of my disability, not just something I need to push through on my own. Having them take extra time to explain things clearly and maybe provide written summaries sounds like it would really help me feel more confident about understanding everything. The tip about scheduling early morning appointments is really practical too - I hadn't thought about how the time of day might affect the quality of service I receive. I'm definitely going to try to get the earliest appointment available. Thank you for following along with this thread and adding your insights. Between everyone's advice here, I feel like I have a comprehensive game plan for this process. It's amazing how much more confident I feel now compared to when I first posted my question!
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