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Thank you all for the helpful replies! This really cleared things up for me. I'm going to look into creating that my Social Security account to check my earnings record and maybe consider some part-time work to fill in those couple of missing years. Much appreciated!

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If u do decide to work part time just make sure its real employment where they take out SS taxes. Some contractor jobs don't do that automatically and then you'd have to pay self employment tax yourself.

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Good point! I'll make sure to check that any job I take actually withholds FICA taxes. Definitely don't want to go through the hassle of self-employment taxes at this stage.

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I heard there's something called "restricted application" where you can take JUST the spousal benefit and let your own continue to grow. Maybe your wife could do that????

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Unfortunately, restricted applications are no longer available for anyone born after January 1, 1954 due to the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. Now when you file for any benefit, you're deemed to have filed for all benefits you're eligible for. The only exceptions are for survivor benefits and certain divorced spouse scenarios.

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pls update us after u talk to SSA! we r in similar spot but im the higher earner (wife). wanna know what happens!

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Will do! I'm going to try to get an appointment at our local office to get this all in writing.

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Something important nobody has mentioned yet: If you did have some work credits (even if not enough for your own benefit), those years of zero earnings are factoring into your lifetime average and will significantly reduce any benefit based on your own record. However, once you reach FRA, you can file a "restricted application" for ONLY spousal benefits if that would be higher than your own benefit. This is still available for people born before January 2, 1954. But since you mentioned being 60 now, you were born after that cutoff date, so you'll be subject to "deemed filing" - meaning when you file, you're filing for all benefits you're eligible for, and will receive the higher amount.

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Thank you for explaining that. I do have some work credits from before I became a stay-at-home mom, but not enough for my own benefit. It sounds like the system will automatically give me whichever is higher between my own (likely very small) benefit and the spousal benefit. Is that correct?

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Exactly right. The system will automatically calculate and pay you the higher of the two. In your case, with 16 years of zero earnings, your own benefit is almost certainly going to be lower than even a reduced spousal benefit. When you file, SSA will calculate both and pay you the higher amount. But remember: if you file at 62, BOTH benefit calculations will be permanently reduced. Your own benefit would be reduced by 30%, and your spousal benefit would be reduced to about 32.5% of your husband's PIA instead of the full 50% you'd get at your FRA.

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WAIT! Everyone here is giving advice without asking a critical question: is your husband still working? If so, how much does he earn? Because if he claims before his FRA and earns above the earnings limit (about $21,240 for 2025), both HIS benefits AND any benefits paid on his record (including your spousal benefits) would be reduced by $1 for every $2 earned above that limit. This earnings test could significantly impact what you'd actually receive!

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Yes, he's still working full-time and makes about $78,000 per year. But he's planning to work until his FRA (67) and then claim. Would the earnings test affect me if I claim spousal benefits at 62 while he's still working but hasn't filed yet?

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The earnings test would only apply if your husband claims benefits before his FRA while still working. Since he plans to wait until his FRA to claim, the earnings test won't affect his benefits or any benefits paid on his record (including your spousal benefits). You can claim your spousal benefits at 62 (with the permanent reduction) while he continues working, and his earnings won't impact your benefit amount. The earnings test would only apply to you if YOU were working while collecting benefits early.

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Based on what others have said, here's a practical strategy to consider: 1. Check your earnings record on the MySocialSecurity website to see your 35-year history 2. Identify low-earning years that you could potentially replace 3. Try to maximize earnings up to the annual cap ($168,600 for 2025) 4. Consider working until 70 if health permits, to get that 8% annual increase after FRA 5. Use the SSA calculators to estimate how different earning levels would affect your benefit Remember that Social Security was designed as a safety net, not your sole retirement income. Ideally, you'll have other savings (401k, IRA, etc.) to supplement.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'll definitely check my earnings record. I've been contributing to my 401k, but probably not enough. Sounds like I need to focus on both maximizing SS and increasing my other retirement savings. I appreciate everyone's insights!

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dont trust SS to be there when u retire!!! my dad says the whole system is going bankrupt by 2034 and we'll all get reduced benefits anyway so what does it matter

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The latest Trustees Report indicates that without changes, the Trust Fund will be depleted around 2035, but that doesn't mean the system will be bankrupt. Even with no changes, Social Security would still be able to pay about 80% of promised benefits from ongoing payroll tax revenue. Additionally, Congress has never allowed benefits to be reduced in the past and has many options to address the shortfall. While it's prudent to have multiple retirement income sources, it's misleading to suggest Social Security won't be there at all.

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my sister took hers at 62 and i waited till 66. shes collected over $100k more than me so far and im 70 now. those fancy calculators dont account for what u could do with that money in your 60s when u can still enjoy it!

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But you'll now collect approximately $700-900 more EVERY MONTH for the rest of your life. If you live to the average age (mid-80s), you'll end up with tens of thousands more in total benefits despite her head start. The math is pretty clear on this for most people.

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I dont think theres a right answer honestly, it depends on ur health and family history and if u need the money now. My dad took it early and my mom waited, they both seemed happy with their choice for different reasons.

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That's a good perspective. I'm leaning toward waiting since my health is good and I don't immediately need the money. But it is tempting to take it early - I keep thinking about additional travel we could do in our early 60s while we're still active. It's not an easy decision!

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Just my 2 cents but my financial advisor told me that for women especially it often makes sense to claim early since we tend to live longer. That way we get something earlier in life when we can enjoy it more. Just something to think about.

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To summarize the key points for your situation: 1. If you claim your retirement benefit at 62, it will be permanently reduced (to about 70% of your FRA amount). 2. If your husband claims at 70, his benefit will be 132% of his FRA amount. 3. If he passes away after claiming, you would be eligible for survivor benefits equal to 100% of what he was receiving - IF you claim survivor benefits at or after your survivor FRA. 4. If you claim survivor benefits before your survivor FRA, they would be reduced. 5. You would receive either your own benefit OR the survivor benefit, whichever is higher, not both. Given these rules, your strategy of claiming early while he delays could work well if the goal is to maximize potential survivor benefits. Just be aware of the earnings test if you're still working when you claim early.

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This summary is incredibly helpful! I think I understand much better now. Since he has the higher earnings history, maximizing his benefit by waiting until 70 seems smart for both of us in the long run. Thank you all for the helpful information!

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This whole system is so confusing. I thought Social Security was supposed to be straightforward! My dad never had to deal with all these complicated rules when he retired.

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The system has become increasingly complex over the decades. Your father likely retired before the major WEP/GPO expansions in the 1980s. These provisions were originally intended to prevent "double-dipping" but have created significant inequities, particularly for public servants with mixed careers. The recent legislation attempts to address these inequities, but as with most government programs, the implementation is far from simple.

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If you have 40+ quarters of Social Security coverage as you mentioned, make sure that's properly documented in your earnings record. Sometimes quarters get missed in the system. I've seen cases where correcting the earnings record resulted in a reduction of the WEP penalty even under the old rules. You can check your lifetime earnings record in your mySocialSecurity account. If you see any years missing or with incorrect amounts, gather documentation (W-2s, tax returns) and submit a correction request. This might help regardless of how the new law is implemented.

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That's good advice. I just checked my record and there actually are two years in the 1990s that show zero earnings when I definitely worked those summers. I'll need to dig through my old paperwork and see if I can find proof. Thank you!

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To address the question about paying back SSI: When someone transitions from SSI to DAC benefits and receives backpay, SSA will adjust for the SSI already received during that period. They won't make you write a check to pay it back, but they will reduce the backpay amount by what was already paid through SSI. It's called "windfall offset." This is actually a good thing - it prevents having to deal with an overpayment notice later. The total you end up with should still be more than if your son had remained solely on SSI during that period. Also, be prepared that if your son gets approved for DAC benefits, his SSI will likely stop completely if the DAC benefit amount exceeds the SSI federal benefit rate. But he'll be better off financially with the higher DAC payment.

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This is all so helpful, thank you everyone. One last question - if my son gets these DAC benefits on his father's record, will that reduce what I would get when I retire in a few years? I don't want to take anything away from my own retirement, but of course I want him to get what he's entitled to.

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Good news - your son receiving DAC benefits on his father's record will NOT affect your future retirement benefits at all. Your retirement will be based on your own work record, and benefits paid to one qualified beneficiary don't reduce payments to other beneficiaries. The total family maximum might come into play if there were multiple people drawing on the same record (like if your late husband had multiple children qualifying for benefits), but that wouldn't affect your own retirement on your record. Please do pursue this for your son as soon as possible. DAC benefits are significantly better than SSI in most cases - higher payment amounts, no resource limits to monitor, and Medicare coverage after 24 months of entitlement.

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Thank you so much! I'm going to get this process started right away. I can't believe we've potentially missed out on these benefits for 3 years since his father passed. I really appreciate everyone's advice and sharing your experiences.

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did she just start getting SS recently? my aunt got backpay for benefits they shoudlve paid her earlier and when she died some of it came to my cousin

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No, she'd been on SS for about 12 years. But that's an interesting point about backpay - I wonder if there was some kind of adjustment they calculated after her death?

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After reading all the comments, I think the most likely explanations are: 1. Underpaid benefits that were calculated after her death 2. Her final month's benefit payment 3. Some form of auxiliary or survivor benefit your husband qualified for The fact that it's $563 rules out the lump-sum death benefit, as that's exactly $255. And the fact it came without paperwork and 6 months later is unusual for any of these scenarios. When you do reach SSA, make sure to have your MIL's SSN, death certificate info, and your husband's ID ready. Ask specifically what type of payment this is and whether there are any more expected. Also confirm if this impacts any benefits your husband might claim in the future.

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Thank you for summarizing the possibilities! That's really helpful. We'll definitely have all that documentation ready when we call. I'll update here when we find out what it was for in case it helps someone else in the future.

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Make sure to apply for survivor benefits even if you're told you don't qualify. Get the denial in writing, because sometimes the rules change or are interpreted differently upon review. My cousin was initially denied but then received benefits after an appeal - the first SSA rep didn't correctly calculate the GPO reduction. Also, apply for that $255 death benefit immediately - as the current spouse who was living with him at time of death, that should go to you regardless of what his ex-wife received from his life insurance.

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I'm going to make an appointment tomorrow to apply formally. You're right that I need to get an official determination rather than just going by what someone told me on the phone. Thank you for the encouragement.

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