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Will taking SS retirement at 65 reduce my wife's spousal benefits at 69?

I've been trying to find a straight answer on this spousal benefit question for months! My situation: I'm 63 and plan to wait until my Full Retirement Age (67) to claim my Social Security benefits. My monthly benefit should be around $2,800 at that point. My wife just turned 65 and wants to start collecting her own Social Security now (about $1,050/month) since it's not very high. When I claim at 67, she'll be 69. We're wondering if her taking her own benefits now will permanently reduce her spousal benefits when she applies for them at 69. The Social Security rep gave us conflicting information, and our financial advisor seemed confused too. Will she get 50% of my benefit minus some penalty for claiming her own early? Or will she just get the higher of the two amounts? I don't want her to make a mistake that costs us thousands over the long run.

Your wife can claim her own retirement benefits now at 65 and then when you file at 67, she can potentially receive additional spousal benefits. The spousal benefit would be up to 50% of your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount), but since she's taking her own retirement early (before her FRA), her own benefit is reduced permanently. When you file, she'll get the higher of: her own reduced benefit OR the difference between her PIA and 50% of your PIA. The fact that she'll be 69 doesn't change this - what matters is she started her own benefits before her FRA. It's called "deemed filing" - when you file for one benefit, you're deemed to have filed for all benefits you're eligible for.

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Natalie Chen

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Thanks, but I think I need clarification. Let's say my PIA at 67 is $2,800, so 50% would be $1,400. If her own benefit at FRA would have been $1,200 (but she took it early at 65 getting $1,050), when I file and she's 69, would she get her reduced $1,050 PLUS the difference between $1,400 and $1,200 ($200)? Or just the difference between $1,400 and $1,050 ($350)? Or something else entirely?

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My situasion was simlar but TOTALLY different outcome than what everyone said would happen!! I took my SS at 62 (big mistake) and hubby waited til 70. When he filed they gave me a spousal increase but it was WAY LESS than the 50% we expected because I took mine early. They did some weird calculation with my "PIA" not my actual benefit. Don't trust what the SSA tells u on the phone - get EVERYTHING in writing!!! SS rules are confusing on purpose so they can pay us less!!!!

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Nick Kravitz

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This happened to my sister too! They said one thing when she called but something totally different when the benefits actually started. The SSA website says one thing but then the actual rules they use seem different.

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Hannah White

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When your wife applies for spousal benefits, she won't get the full 50% of your benefit amount. Here's the exact formula: 1. She'll continue receiving her own reduced retirement benefit 2. If 50% of your PIA exceeds her own PIA (not her reduced benefit amount), she'll get a spousal add-on 3. The add-on equals the difference between 50% of your PIA and her PIA The key point: her early filing reduces her own benefit permanently, but it doesn't directly reduce the spousal add-on. However, since the spousal calculation is based on PIAs, not actual benefit amounts, it's often less than people expect. Example with made-up numbers: - Your PIA: $2,800 - Her PIA (what she would get at her FRA): $1,200 - Her reduced benefit at 65: $1,050 - Spousal calculation: 50% of your PIA ($1,400) minus her PIA ($1,200) = $200 - Her total benefit: $1,050 + $200 = $1,250

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Natalie Chen

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Thank you for breaking it down like that! So her early filing doesn't reduce the spousal add-on directly, but since the calculation uses her PIA and not her actual reduced benefit, she doesn't get the full difference between her reduced benefit and 50% of mine. That finally makes sense.

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Michael Green

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everybody keeps talking about PIA this and PIA that but what even is a PIA? is that the same as FRA? this stuff is so confusing I'm 61 and trying to figure out when to take mine but I cant even understand half the terms people use

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PIA stands for Primary Insurance Amount - it's the benefit you would get if you claim exactly at your Full Retirement Age (FRA). Your FRA is the age when you're eligible for your "full" benefit (66-67 depending on birth year). PIA is an amount, FRA is an age. Hope that helps clarify!

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Mateo Silva

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I spent HOURS on hold with Social Security trying to get an answer to a similar question. After being disconnected twice, I tried using Claimyr (claimyr.com) and got through to an agent in under 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. The agent I spoke with confirmed that my wife's early filing would affect her total combined benefit, but she'd still get an increase when I filed. They also sent me a detailed breakdown of the calculation which was super helpful for planning.

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Natalie Chen

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Thanks for the tip! I've been disconnected three times trying to get through to SSA. I'll check out that service - at this point I just need to talk to someone who can give me a clear answer.

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My advice is don't overthink this. Your wife should just take her benefits now and then when you file, SSA will automatically calculate any additional amount she's entitled to. Yes, taking benefits early reduces them, but she's already 65 so the reduction isn't that severe. Plus she gets 4 years of payments she would otherwise miss - that's around $50,000 total before you even file! You'd need to live a REALLY long time for waiting to mathematically make sense in her case.

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Hannah White

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This is actually a good point about the time value of money. While the reduction is permanent, receiving benefits for those 4 years does have significant value. It's always a trade-off between maximizing monthly benefits and collecting for a longer period. For someone with a lower benefit amount, taking it earlier often makes financial sense even with the reduction.

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I heard there's something called "restricted application" where you can take JUST the spousal benefit and let your own continue to grow. Maybe your wife could do that????

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Unfortunately, restricted applications are no longer available for anyone born after January 1, 1954 due to the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. Now when you file for any benefit, you're deemed to have filed for all benefits you're eligible for. The only exceptions are for survivor benefits and certain divorced spouse scenarios.

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Nick Kravitz

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pls update us after u talk to SSA! we r in similar spot but im the higher earner (wife). wanna know what happens!

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Natalie Chen

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Will do! I'm going to try to get an appointment at our local office to get this all in writing.

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