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I'm so sorry for your loss, Dmitry. Losing a spouse is devastating, and trying to navigate SSA's confusing systems while grieving is incredibly overwhelming. What you're experiencing sounds completely normal for a new survivor benefit claim. That $2,780 deposit is almost certainly retroactive benefits - they're paying you for the months between when your husband passed and when you applied. Since you waited about 2 months to apply, they're covering that gap period where you were eligible but not yet receiving benefits. The "overpayment" notation online is usually just their system reconciling calculations during initial processing. SSA often makes estimated payments first, then adjusts as they verify details, which creates these temporary accounting entries that look alarming but typically don't mean you owe money back. Your payment schedule is correct - since you were born on the 15th, the 3rd Wednesday is right for birth dates between 11th-20th. It's based on YOUR birth date, not your husband's. I'd strongly recommend waiting for the official letter before worrying about that overpayment notice. Their online portal is notorious for showing incomplete or confusing information during processing, but the letter should clearly explain everything. The first few months are always the most difficult part of dealing with SSA. Once everything gets sorted out, it usually runs much smoother. You're handling an incredibly tough situation - be patient with yourself and the process.
Thank you Mei - this is exactly the kind of clear, reassuring explanation I needed to hear. As someone completely new to the Social Security system, I really appreciate how you and everyone else in this community have taken the time to walk me through what's actually happening versus what I was imagining might be wrong. The retroactive payment concept makes perfect sense now that so many people have explained it step by step - I was so focused on worrying about that "overpayment" notation that I didn't even consider they might be paying me for those months I was eligible but hadn't applied yet. Your reminder about the birth date payment schedule is also helpful since I had that completely backwards initially. It's been such a relief to hear from so many knowledgeable community members that this confusing online display during processing is totally normal and not something I messed up. I'll definitely wait for that official letter and try to stop checking the portal obsessively. This whole experience has been incredibly overwhelming on top of everything else, but finding this supportive community has made such a difference. Thank you for your patience and understanding.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Dmitry. Losing a spouse is one of life's most challenging experiences, and having to navigate Social Security's bureaucracy while grieving just makes everything so much harder. What you're describing sounds completely typical for a new survivor benefit claim. That $2,780 deposit is almost certainly your retroactive benefits - since you applied about 2 months after your husband passed away, they're paying you back for those months when you were eligible but hadn't yet started receiving benefits. This is actually a good thing, even though it's confusing! The "overpayment" notation you're seeing online is likely just their system working through initial calculations. When SSA processes survivor claims, they often make estimated payments first, then refine the amounts as they verify all your paperwork. This creates temporary accounting entries that show up as "overpayments" even when you don't actually owe anything back - it's just how their old computer systems handle the adjustments. Your payment schedule is absolutely correct. Since you were born on the 15th, you'll receive benefits on the 3rd Wednesday of each month (birth dates 11th-20th = 3rd Wednesday). This is based on YOUR birth date, not your husband's, which is where a lot of people get confused initially. I'd definitely recommend waiting for the official explanation letter before worrying too much about that overpayment notice. SSA's online portal is notorious for showing incomplete or misleading information during the initial processing period, but the detailed letter should clearly break down what each payment represents. The hardest part is usually getting through these first few months while everything gets straightened out. Once the initial processing is complete, monthly payments typically run much more smoothly. You're handling an incredibly difficult situation - be gentle with yourself during this process.
Thank you Amara - your detailed explanation really helps put everything in perspective! As someone who's completely new to navigating the Social Security system, I can't express how much it means to have such a supportive community explaining these confusing processes. The way you've broken down the retroactive payment concept makes it so clear - I was getting myself worked up thinking something was wrong when actually they're paying me money I'm entitled to for those months I was eligible but hadn't applied yet. And knowing that their "overpayment" notation is just how their old computer systems handle adjustments during processing is such a relief. I've been checking that online portal multiple times a day and getting more anxious each time, but hearing from so many experienced members that this is completely normal really gives me peace of mind. I'll definitely wait for the official letter and stop obsessing over the online system. Thank you for reminding me to be gentle with myself during this process - sometimes I feel like I should be handling all of this better, but you're right that it's incredibly difficult to deal with bureaucracy while grieving.
Connor, I'm so sorry for your loss. Having gone through the survivor benefits process myself two years ago, I can tell you that you've received some truly excellent advice here from this community. The clarification about pension income not counting toward the earnings test is absolutely crucial - that was a game-changer for me too when I learned it. With only your $15K part-time income counting against the $23,520 limit, you're looking at a much smaller reduction than you initially feared. One thing I'd add from my experience: when you do apply, consider timing it strategically within your 60th birthday year. I applied in January of my 60th year and was able to plan my work schedule around minimizing the earnings test impact. Also, definitely get a copy of your husband's complete earnings record from SSA - sometimes there are discrepancies that need to be corrected, and it's easier to address them during the initial application. The survivor-now, own-benefit-later strategy is exactly what I did, and it's worked out well financially. Just make sure every SSA representative you speak with understands this is your plan so they don't accidentally file for all benefits at once. Best of luck with your application - you're asking all the right questions and clearly thinking this through carefully. Your husband would be proud of how thoughtfully you're handling this difficult situation.
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience with this process! It's incredibly reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through the same situation successfully. Your point about getting a copy of my husband's complete earnings record is really smart - I hadn't thought about potential discrepancies that might need correcting. The timing strategy you mentioned about applying in January and planning your work schedule around it is brilliant. That's definitely something I'm going to consider as I get closer to my 60th birthday. I really appreciate you emphasizing the importance of making sure every SSA representative understands my plan to take survivor benefits now and my own retirement benefits later. After reading about some of the mix-ups people have experienced, I can see how critical clear communication is going to be throughout this process. Your kind words about my husband mean a lot. This whole process feels overwhelming sometimes, but knowing that others have successfully navigated it gives me confidence that I can too. Thank you for taking the time to share your insights - it really helps to hear from someone who's been there!
I'm so sorry for your loss, Connor. Losing a spouse is incredibly difficult, and having to navigate Social Security while grieving makes it even more overwhelming. You've received some fantastic advice here from people who've actually been through this process. The key insight about your pension not counting toward the earnings test really does change everything - with only your $15K part-time income affecting the calculation, you're in a much better position than you initially thought. I wanted to add one practical tip from my own experience dealing with government benefits: when you do get through to SSA (whether via Claimyr or the local office), have a written list of questions ready and take notes during the call. Ask for the representative's name and ID number, and request they email or mail you a summary of what was discussed. This has saved me so much frustration in follow-up calls when different representatives give conflicting information. Also, since you mentioned being a teacher, you might want to check if your state or local teacher's union has any resources or advocates who are familiar with Social Security survivor benefits. Sometimes they have specialists who can help navigate these complex situations. The strategy you're considering - survivor benefits at 60, then switching to your own higher benefit at FRA - is exactly what financial planners recommend for situations like yours. You're making smart decisions during an incredibly difficult time. Take care of yourself through this process!
Thank you Edwards for such thoughtful advice! Your suggestion about having a written list of questions and taking detailed notes during calls is really practical - I can see how that would prevent confusion with different representatives giving different information. Getting the representative's name and ID number is smart too. I hadn't thought about checking with my teacher's union for Social Security resources, but that's a great idea. They might have dealt with similar situations before and could have specialized knowledge about how teacher pensions interact with Social Security benefits. Your point about requesting email or written summaries is especially valuable given how complex this process can be. Having everything documented will definitely help if I need to reference conversations later or if there are any discrepancies. I'm really grateful for all the support and practical advice everyone has shared here. What started as a really overwhelming and confusing situation now feels much more manageable thanks to this community. The combination of emotional support and practical guidance has been exactly what I needed during this difficult time.
I just want to echo what everyone else has said and add my own encouragement - definitely pursue this! I went through a very similar situation about 3 years ago. I was also on SSDI (due to a back injury) and had been divorced for over 2 years from my ex who was in a high-earning profession. The process was honestly easier than I expected once I got past the initial phone call hurdle. I ended up getting an extra $380/month, which has made such a difference in my ability to cover basic expenses. What really surprised me was that I qualified for about 8 months of retroactive payments since I had been eligible but just didn't know about it. One thing I'd suggest is to go into your appointment with realistic expectations but also don't be afraid to advocate for yourself. The first SSA representative I spoke with seemed to be discouraging me from applying, almost like it wasn't worth the paperwork. But I persisted and I'm so glad I did. Also, don't let anyone make you feel guilty about claiming benefits on your ex's record. You paid into the system during your marriage just like he did, and you're entitled to these benefits. It doesn't take anything away from him and he'll never even know unless you tell him. Good luck - I have a really good feeling this is going to work out well for you!
Wow, this is exactly what I needed to hear! Your experience gives me so much hope - $380 extra per month would be absolutely life-changing for me right now. And the fact that you got retroactive payments too is incredible! I had no idea that was even possible. Your point about not feeling guilty really resonates with me. I've been feeling a bit awkward about this whole thing, like I'm somehow taking advantage of the system or being unfair to my ex. But you're absolutely right - I paid into Social Security during our marriage too, and this is a legitimate benefit I'm entitled to. Thank you for the encouragement about advocating for myself. I tend to be pretty passive in these situations, especially with government agencies, but this is too important to my financial stability to just give up if the first person I talk to seems discouraging. I'm definitely going to move forward with this process. Everyone's shared experiences and advice in this thread have been invaluable - I feel like I actually understand what I'm doing now instead of just stumbling around in the dark. Here goes nothing!
I've been following this thread and wanted to add something that might help expedite your process - consider bringing a trusted friend or family member to your SSA appointment if possible. Sometimes having another set of ears can be really helpful when they're explaining complex benefit calculations, especially if you're feeling overwhelmed or anxious. Also, I noticed you mentioned lupus in your original post. If your condition affects your cognitive function at all (brain fog, memory issues, etc.), don't hesitate to mention this to the SSA representative. They're supposed to accommodate people with disabilities during these appointments, which might include taking extra time to explain things clearly or providing written summaries of what was discussed. One more practical tip - if your local SSA office offers appointments, try to schedule for early in the day. The staff tends to be fresher and more patient in the morning, and you won't have to deal with the afternoon rush of people coming in after work. Based on everything you've shared about your marriage length and your ex's career in IT, I'm really optimistic this could provide meaningful financial relief for you. You've gotten such great advice in this thread - you're definitely prepared to navigate this successfully!
This is such thoughtful advice! I really appreciate the suggestion about bringing someone with me to the appointment. I do sometimes struggle with brain fog from my lupus, especially when I'm stressed or dealing with complex information, so having an extra set of ears would definitely be helpful. You make a great point about mentioning my cognitive symptoms to the SSA rep. I sometimes forget that brain fog is a legitimate part of my disability, not just something I need to push through on my own. Having them take extra time to explain things clearly and maybe provide written summaries sounds like it would really help me feel more confident about understanding everything. The tip about scheduling early morning appointments is really practical too - I hadn't thought about how the time of day might affect the quality of service I receive. I'm definitely going to try to get the earliest appointment available. Thank you for following along with this thread and adding your insights. Between everyone's advice here, I feel like I have a comprehensive game plan for this process. It's amazing how much more confident I feel now compared to when I first posted my question!
Welcome to the reality of being a public servant in America! I'm a retired federal employee who went through something similar with my CSRS pension and Social Security. A few things that might help as you navigate this: 1. **Document everything** - Keep records of all your Social Security earnings from your side job. Sometimes SSA's records aren't complete, and you'll want proof of what you paid in. 2. **Consider the "last day" rule** - Some teachers have successfully avoided WEP by ensuring their last day of work before retirement is at a job where they pay into Social Security (like your side job). This is tricky and depends on your state's rules, but worth researching. 3. **Health insurance planning** - Since your Social Security income will be lower than expected, make sure you understand what health benefits you'll have as a retired teacher. Many states have good retiree health plans that can save you thousands compared to individual market insurance. 4. **Tax considerations** - Your teacher pension might be partially taxable depending on your state, while Social Security has its own taxation rules. A tax professional familiar with retirement income can help you plan withdrawal strategies. The system is definitely unfair to public servants, but knowing the rules helps you plan around them. Good luck!
This is such valuable advice, thank you! I hadn't thought about the "last day" rule - that's really interesting. I'll definitely need to research whether that applies in my state. The documentation point is also great - I should probably request my full earnings record from SSA to make sure everything is accurate. The health insurance aspect is huge too. I know my state offers decent retiree health benefits for teachers, but I need to understand exactly what the costs will be and when coverage starts. Do you happen to know if there are any other creative strategies teachers have used to work around these provisions? I'm willing to do some extra planning if it means getting a better outcome!
Another strategy to look into is the "substantial earnings" test for WEP. If you have 30+ years of "substantial earnings" (around $29,700 for 2024, adjusted annually), WEP is completely eliminated. Even 20-29 years of substantial earnings reduces the WEP penalty significantly. Since you've been working your side job since 1985, you might be closer to this threshold than you think! Check your earnings record carefully - some years where you worked both teaching and your side job might count toward substantial earnings if the combined income was high enough. Also, regarding the "last day" rule - it's state-specific and can be risky. Some teachers have tried switching to substitute teaching or working for a private school for their final day, but this requires very careful coordination with your pension system. Don't attempt this without consulting your state's teacher retirement office first, as it could potentially affect your pension eligibility. One more tip: if you have any IRAs or 401(k)s from previous non-teaching jobs, consider how those withdrawals will affect your overall tax situation in retirement, especially since you'll have limited Social Security income to work with.
I'm a newer federal employee and this thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I had no idea about WEP and GPO until I started researching my own retirement planning. It's shocking how these provisions can essentially wipe out benefits that people have legitimately earned. @Anastasia Popova - your situation really highlights how complex this gets when you have multiple income sources. One thing I'd suggest is also checking if your side job earnings might help you reach that "substantial earnings" threshold that @Finnegan Gunn mentioned. Even if you don't hit 30 years, getting to 20+ years could significantly reduce your WEP penalty. Also, have you looked into whether your state participates in Social Security for teachers? A few states (like Ohio and Texas) have transitioned some or all of their teachers into Social Security, which eliminates these offset issues entirely. Unfortunately, most states haven't made this change. The advocacy point that others mentioned is really important too. Organizations like the National Education Association and AARP regularly push for WEP/GPO reform. The more people who understand and speak up about these unfair provisions, the better chance we have of seeing change someday.
As someone just starting to learn about these provisions, I'm honestly shocked by how unfair this system seems! Reading through everyone's experiences here has been both educational and depressing. It feels like people who chose to serve the public through teaching, firefighting, etc. are being penalized for that choice. @Ana Rusula, you make a great point about the substantial earnings threshold. @Anastasia Popova, definitely check your earnings record carefully - if you've been working that side job since 1985, you might have more years of substantial earnings than you realize, especially if there were years where your combined teaching + side job income was higher. I'm curious though - are there any success stories out there? Has anyone managed to navigate these rules in a way that worked out better than expected? Or found any loopholes that actually helped? It seems like most of the stories I'm hearing are pretty discouraging, but maybe there are some positive outcomes too? This thread is making me reconsider my own career path honestly. The fact that choosing public service could mean getting less in retirement benefits than what you actually paid into the system just seems fundamentally wrong.
CosmicCaptain
Glad to see this got resolved! For anyone else reading this thread, just want to add that if you're having trouble accessing your my Social Security account, you can also request a new SSA-1099 by mail by calling the automated phone system at 1-800-772-1213 and following the prompts (no need to speak to an agent). It usually takes 7-10 business days to arrive, so plan accordingly if you're close to tax deadlines. The online method is definitely fastest when it works though!
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Amara Okafor
•That's really helpful info about the automated phone system! I didn't know you could request it that way without waiting to talk to someone. Good to know for next time - 7-10 days is much better than the horror stories I've heard about trying to get through to a live agent.
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Mateo Sanchez
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation - just started receiving Social Security disability benefits last year and had no idea they send a different form than W-2s. I've been checking my mailbox every day wondering where my W-2 was! Going to log into my account right now to look for the SSA-1099. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and solutions.
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Theodore Nelson
•Welcome to the club! It's definitely confusing the first time around. I was in the exact same boat - kept waiting for a W-2 that was never going to come. The SSA-1099 should be in your my Social Security account under "Replacement Documents" if you can access it online. If not, the automated phone line that @CosmicCaptain mentioned sounds like a good backup option. Hope you get it sorted out quickly!
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Jace Caspullo
•@Mateo Sanchez You re'definitely not alone in this confusion! I went through the same thing when I first started getting disability benefits. One tip that helped me - once you get your SSA-1099, make sure to check if any taxes were withheld it (ll'show in Box 3 if so .)Since it s'your first year, you might want to review your withholding settings for next year to avoid any surprises at tax time. The Social Security Administration website has a good calculator to help figure out the right amount.
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