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Ashley Simian

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Something NO ONE has mentioned yet is that sometimes SSA will send you a letter saying what month your benefits officially start - keep this letter!!! You might need it to prove when you were entitled to benefits vs when you actually got paid. Especially if there's ever an audit or question later.

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Mohammad Khaled

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That's a great tip! I haven't received an official approval letter yet, but I'll definitely save everything they send me. Documentation seems to be crucial with all this SSA stuff.

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Finnegan Gunn

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Just to add one more point of clarification - when the backpay arrives, the SSA-1099 will show the total amount paid to you during that calendar year. It won't specify which months the payments were for, just the total received. This is why it's important to keep your award letter that explains the breakdown of payments. Also, since you're asking about taxes, remember that depending on your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits), up to 85% of your Social Security benefits may be taxable. Since you're still working, this is something to be aware of for your tax planning.

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Mohammad Khaled

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I didn't realize they don't break down which months the payments are for on the 1099. That's really helpful to know - I'll definitely save all the paperwork they send. And yes, I know some portion will be taxable since I'm still working. I was just confused about WHICH tax year they'd apply to. Thanks!

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Javier Morales

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Update: I finally broke down and called SSA this morning (waited on hold for 1.5 hours!). The representative told me that spousal benefits are *supposed* to be automatic, but their system has been having issues lately with the automatic calculations. She recommended that I call back about 2 weeks after my husband's first payment arrives to check on the status of my spousal increase. She said there's a good chance I'll need to specifically request it, even though it should happen automatically. So frustrating! But at least now I know I need to be proactive about this. Will update again in October after his payments start.

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Malik Thompson

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SEE!! I TOLD YOU!!! The system is completely broken! Make sure you keep calling them until it's fixed. And document EVERYTHING - write down who you talked to, when you called, what they told you. You'll need it when they inevitably mess something up. And make sure they give you all the backpay once it's fixed!

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Ravi Kapoor

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my aunt had this problem too she was getting her own SS for years then uncle retired. took SSA 3 months to increase her check but they did pay the back money. dont worry too much but def call if october comes and nothing happens

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Javier Morales

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That's reassuring they at least paid the back money. I'm trying not to stress too much about it, but we're on a pretty tight budget so I'm eagerly awaiting any increase we can get!

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Leo McDonald

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my daughter got SSI not SSDI so its probably different for you. SSI doesn't do back payments the same way. but i think for SSDI and disabled adult child benefits they do pay you for those months they said she was eligible. also make sure you know if she got approved for medicare too because sometimes they don't tell you clearly about that part.

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Molly Hansen

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You're right that SSI and SSDI/DAC benefits are different. For disabled adult child benefits on a deceased parent's record (which is what OP is asking about), they do provide backpay from the eligibility date. Also important to note is that after 24 months of receiving DAC benefits, the beneficiary will automatically qualify for Medicare, regardless of age.

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Connor Rupert

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I just wanted to update everyone - the backpay arrived today! It came exactly 7 weeks after the approval letter, as a separate direct deposit labeled "SSA TREAS 310 XXSUPP". It covered all four months (October through January) in one lump sum. Thanks everyone for your helpful advice - it really helped me understand what to expect during this confusing time.

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Skylar Neal

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That's great news! Thanks for coming back to update us. This information will help others in similar situations who find this thread. Glad everything worked out with the backpay.

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Vincent Bimbach

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FINALLY! Glad you got it! Make sure to keep all the approval paperwork in case there's ever any question about it later. The SSA has "lost" my son's paperwork TWICE and I had to provide copies!

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Emma Bianchi

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Sorry but I think your understanding of GPO changes is incorrect. Nothing has officially changed yet. The Social Security Fairness Act was introduced to Congress but hasn't passed. It's been introduced multiple times over the years without success. That said, it's ALWAYS worth checking benefit eligibility again because: 1) The calculation might have been done incorrectly in 2005 2) Her husband's benefit amount with COLAs might now exceed the GPO reduction Also, at 89, she should see if she qualifies for SSI which isn't affected by GPO.

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Joshua Hellan

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Thanks for clarifying about the legislation. I must have misunderstood what I read. I'll still help her check about both the survivor benefits and SSI. At her age, every bit of financial support makes a difference.

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I've been fighting this battle for my retired teacher sister for years. Even with the current awful GPO rules, make sure they calculate everything correctly. Get your friend to request a Benefit Verification Letter that shows exactly how they calculated everything. Sometimes they don't apply the correct COLA increases to the deceased spouse's benefit before applying the offset. Also, make sure they're using her GROSS pension amount, not her net take-home after health insurance and tax deductions. I've seen them make this mistake too!

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Jibriel Kohn

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This is excellent advice. The details really matter in GPO calculations, and errors do happen. Requesting the Benefit Verification Letter with the calculation breakdown is essential for verifying everything was done correctly.

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GamerGirl99

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To clarify some confusion in this thread: For the first year after you claim benefits, SSA applies the monthly earnings test. After that first year, they switch to an annual test, where they only look at your total earnings for the year. This means after your first year collecting, you could earn a lot in one month and nothing in another, and as long as your annual total stays under the yearly limit ($23,400 for 2025), you won't lose any benefits. For LLC income specifically, they count it when earned, not when paid - this is a common misunderstanding that leads to problems.

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Freya Andersen

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Wait, so after the first year they don't care about monthly? That makes it way easier! My brother told me I had to stay under the limit EVERY month forever or they'd take my $$$ away!

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Amina Diallo

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Thanks everyone for the helpful information! I think I understand better now - I need to track my monthly net earnings from the LLC (after expenses) plus any W-2 wages and keep the combined amount under $1,950 for each month during my first year. Then after that, I just need to keep my annual total under $23,400 until I reach full retirement age. I'm going to call SSA directly to confirm this is correct for my specific situation before I apply. Really appreciate all the advice!

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Malik Jenkins

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That's exactly right! One more tip - keep a very detailed log of your monthly work activities and income. If there's ever a question, you'll want documentation showing exactly when you earned the money. And remember that once you reach your Full Retirement Age (67 for those born after 1960), the earnings limit disappears completely and you can earn as much as you want with no reduction in benefits. Good luck!

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Seraphina Delan

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To answer your latest question - no, you cannot switch later. Under current rules (changed in 2016), once you file for benefits, you're deemed to be filing for ALL benefits you're eligible for. The SSA will pay you the higher amount, but you cannot switch strategies later. This is why planning is so important. If your own benefit at FRA would be significantly higher than the divorced spouse benefit, it might be worth waiting. Your own benefit grows until age 70, while divorced spouse benefits max out at your FRA. I'd recommend creating a my Social Security account online if you haven't already. It will show your earnings history and benefit estimates based on different claiming ages.

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Jabari-Jo

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yep this is what happnd to my sister, once u choose theres no going back! she wishes she waited now but no point crying over it.

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Niko Ramsey

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Thanks everyone for the incredibly helpful advice! I've learned so much: 1. I can claim divorced spouse benefits at 62 based on my ex's SSDI record 2. I'll get either my own benefit OR up to 50% of my ex's benefit (reduced for early claiming), not both 3. Filing at 62 means about a 30% reduction from what I'd get at my FRA 4. Once I file, I can't switch strategies later I'm going to create a my Social Security account and use the benefit estimator to run some numbers. Then I'll try to schedule an appointment specifically to discuss my divorced spouse options. This has been so much more helpful than the confusing information on the SSA website!

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ApolloJackson

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dont get 2 excited they probably just processing it. my status said approved for like a month before i got the actual approval letter and then another 3 weeks for first payment

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Olivia Martinez

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Thanks for the reality check. I'll keep an eye out for the official letter before I celebrate too much. Did your online account show the payment amounts right away or only after you got the letter?

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Rajiv Kumar

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Since you mentioned you have stage 4 lymphoma, your case likely qualified for expedited processing under the Compassionate Allowances program. This is working exactly as designed - SSA created this program specifically to fast-track obvious disability cases. One important thing to know: there's a 5-month waiting period from your disability onset date before payments begin. So even with quick approval, you might still have a short wait for the first payment depending on when your disability officially began according to SSA. Also, keep documentation of all your medical treatments. SSA will conduct periodic Continuing Disability Reviews, though with your condition these might be less frequent.

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Liam O'Reilly

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Why should someone with terminal cancer have to wait 5 months for payments??? That's so cruel! The government takes our money for decades and then makes dying people wait for benefits they PAID FOR. Makes me so angry.

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Rajiv Kumar

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The 5-month waiting period is unfortunately built into the law for all SSDI claims. It was intended to ensure that only long-term disabilities receive benefits, but you're right that it can create hardship, especially in cases like terminal illness. There have been legislative attempts to eliminate this waiting period for terminal conditions, but so far they haven't passed.

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Chloe Anderson

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Hi there! Just wanted to say I was in a similar boat last year. One thing nobody mentioned yet - the earnings limit is ANNUAL, but they apply it MONTHLY for payment purposes. So if you have uneven earnings throughout the year (like if you get a big bonus in one month), it can affect which months you get paid and which you don't. Super confusing system!!

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Ravi Gupta

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That's really helpful to know since my income isn't completely even throughout the year. I usually get a bonus in March that's about 10% of my annual income. Sounds like I need to factor that in too.

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GalacticGuru

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Since you're planning to apply very soon (January 2025), I'd recommend doing two things right away: 1. Contact SSA now and get an official benefits estimate based on your current earnings record. Make sure all your earnings are correctly recorded. 2. When you apply, be VERY clear about your expected 2025 earnings. Ask them to withhold benefits as needed rather than paying you too much that you'll have to pay back. This is definitely one of the most confusing aspects of Social Security, and unfortunately, a lot of people at SSA don't explain it clearly either.

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Ravi Gupta

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Thank you for the practical advice. I'll definitely include my estimated earnings for 2025 when I apply and ask about withholding. Better to get less up front than have to pay back later. I appreciate everyone's help with understanding this complicated system!

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Freya Nielsen

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lol why would anyone think they could get ss benefits at 57? thats not retirement age anywhere in the U.S system

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Ravi Kapoor

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I wasn't sure if there were exceptions for spousal benefits with age gaps. The rules are complicated and not always intuitive.

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Omar Mahmoud

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To summarize what's been discussed and add a bit more clarity: 1. The earliest your husband could receive spousal benefits is age 62, with a reduction (approximately 30-35% less than at his FRA). 2. If he significantly reduces his work or stops completely at 57, this could affect his own future benefit calculation since SSA uses the highest 35 years of earnings. Low-earning or zero years could reduce his personal benefit. 3. The spousal benefit would be up to 50% of your Primary Insurance Amount (your benefit at your FRA), but is reduced if claimed before his FRA. 4. He will always receive the higher of either his own benefit or the spousal benefit, not both. 5. For survivor benefits, he could claim as early as age 60 if you predeceased him, with a reduction. At his FRA, he would receive 100% of your benefit. 6. If your husband is considering reducing work significantly at 57, you might want to evaluate other retirement income sources to bridge the gap until he can claim Social Security benefits.

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Ravi Kapoor

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Thank you for this clear summary! I think our new plan will need to be a combination of his reduced work (but still some income) at 57 plus our savings to bridge until 62. I appreciate everyone's help sorting through this complicated system.

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Kai Rivera

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Whenever I call social security its a nightmare!!! waited 3 hours last time before I hung up. Anybody found a way to actually talk to a real person there without wasting your whole day??

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Kaylee Cook

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As I mentioned above, I had good results with Claimyr (claimyr.com). They got me through to an agent in about 10 minutes when I was dealing with my family maximum issue. They have a video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Before that, I tried calling right when the office opened, calling different field offices, and even trying the 800 number at weird times like 4:30pm. Nothing worked until I tried this service.

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Eleanor Foster

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Quick update after speaking with SSA (finally got through!): The agent confirmed that my husband's reduced benefit is counting against the Family Maximum, which is why our son's DAC benefit and my child-in-care spousal benefit are both reduced. The agent explained that the Family Maximum is approximately 175% of my husband's PIA in our case. Since he took retirement 2 years early, his benefit is reduced to about 87% of his PIA. This means our son and I are splitting the remaining portion of the maximum (about 88% of PIA), and it's being divided proportionally between us. I also learned that if I were to wait until my FRA to claim regular spousal benefits (not child-in-care), my benefit would increase, but our son's would decrease further to stay within the maximum. The whole system seems designed to keep families from receiving full benefits! Thank you all for your help in understanding this complex issue.

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Anna Stewart

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Thanks for sharing this update! Your situation perfectly illustrates how the Family Maximum works. The 175% figure is typical, and you've now seen firsthand how it impacts multiple beneficiaries. One thing to consider for the future: when you reach your own Full Retirement Age, you might want to run calculations on whether claiming on your own record might be more advantageous than the spousal benefit, especially given the FMB constraints. If you've had significant earnings, your own benefit might provide more than the restricted spousal benefit after the family maximum is applied. Best of luck with everything!

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Layla Sanders

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glad u figured it out! the system is way too complicated, even the agents get confused sometimes. my aunt got 3 different answers from 3 different people at ssa about her widows benefits!!

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