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The monthly earnings test is so frustrating! My mom went through this exact situation last year with her survivor benefits. One thing no one has mentioned yet - if you're close to your Full Retirement Age, the earnings limits are different. If you'll reach FRA in 2025, the monthly limit is much higher (around $6,000/month for 2024). Also, be aware that they sometimes apply different rules depending on whether you're self-employed or a regular employee. Are you a W-2 employee at your sister's shop or considered self-employed? This can affect how they count your earnings. As others mentioned, definitely request that those 4 withheld months be applied to any overpayment. This is your right but sometimes gets overlooked unless you specifically ask for it.
I want to add one more important point that hasn't been mentioned yet: Since you're planning to fully retire in 2025, you should submit a new estimate of zero earnings for 2025 as soon as possible. This will prevent SSA from withholding any benefits next year. Also, make sure you understand the difference between the Annual Earnings Test and the Monthly Earnings Test: - Monthly Test: Only applies in your first year receiving benefits. Any month you earn over the limit ($2,270 for 2024), you don't receive benefits for that month. - Annual Test: Applies every year until you reach Full Retirement Age. For every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($23,040 for 2024), SSA withholds $1 in benefits. The good news is that these withheld benefits aren't lost forever. Once you reach FRA, SSA recalculates your benefit amount to give credit for months benefits were withheld.
The SSA can be TERRIBLE about this stuff! My mom has dementia but not "bad enough" according to them initially. We had to get multiple doctor letters and it took MONTHS before they approved a payee. Meanwhile she lost almost $5000 to scammers!! Ask for a supervisor if they give you any runaround.
This is unfortunately common. Make sure the doctor's letter specifically addresses her ability to manage finances (not just general cognitive status). Use phrases like "unable to understand the consequences of financial decisions" or "cannot manage benefit payments due to cognitive impairment." This specific language helps expedite the process.
Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I've made notes on everything and will be contacting her doctor tomorrow for that documentation. I'll try to schedule an appointment with SSA using the Claimyr service since it sounds like getting through is the first big hurdle. I'm relieved to hear this is possible without full guardianship. I think my aunt will agree once I explain everything carefully - she was actually in tears last week after realizing she'd been scammed, so I think she knows she needs help even if it's hard to admit. I'll update once we get through the process in case it helps others in the same situation.
Good plan! One more thing - when you meet with SSA, bring recent examples of financial issues (bank statements showing overdrafts, bills that went unpaid, receipts from scams if you have them). This concrete evidence of financial mismanagement can be very persuasive in borderline cases. Wishing you and your aunt all the best.
One strategy some people use is to file at 62 if they anticipate working less in the coming years. For example, if you're planning to go part-time at 63, it might make sense to file at 62, have some benefits withheld the first year, then start collecting when your income drops below the threshold. This works best if: 1. You're planning to reduce work hours soon after 62 2. You want to retire before FRA but after 62 3. Your life expectancy is uncertain due to health concerns Just remember the reduction is permanent - the adjustment at FRA only accounts for months benefits were completely withheld, not the early claiming reduction itself.
Another important consideration is tax efficiency in retirement planning. If you're still working full-time at a good salary, adding Social Security income could push you into a higher tax bracket. Up to 85% of your Social Security benefits become taxable when your combined income exceeds certain thresholds. For 2025, if your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits) exceeds $34,000 (single) or $44,000 (married filing jointly), 85% of your benefits are subject to income tax. So claiming early while working could not only reduce your lifetime benefit but also result in higher taxes during those working years compared to waiting until you've stopped working or reduced your hours.
The tax angle is something I hadn't considered at all! Since I'm making $85K now, adding Social Security on top would definitely push me into that 85% taxable range. So I'd essentially be taking a reduced benefit AND paying more taxes on it. Waiting is sounding better and better. Thanks everyone for helping me understand this. I was focused on that earnings test adjustment without seeing the bigger picture. I think I'll definitely wait until at least my FRA before filing.
Does anybody know if this impacts the earnings test? I'm 63 getting SS but still teaching part-time and they take back some of my benefits whenever I make over the limit. SOOOO FRUSTRATING!!!!
That's a different issue than what the original poster was asking about. The earnings test is separate from WEP/GPO. If you're under Full Retirement Age (66-67 depending on birth year) and still working, SSA reduces benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($22,320 in 2025 for those under FRA). Once you reach FRA, there's no more earnings test.
Update: I finally spoke with someone at Social Security. They confirmed there haven't been any changes to the GPO rules that would affect my situation. The agent explained that any legislation would need to specifically address retroactive changes to current beneficiaries like me. She suggested I check the SSA website every few months for updates or sign up for their email newsletter. Thanks everyone for your helpful responses!
Daniela Rossi
One more thing to consider - since this involves a cancer case, you should mention to the Tampa office that this falls under Compassionate Allowances guidelines. This might help prioritize getting these documents processed quickly once they receive them. Also, document EVERYTHING about your attempts to submit these records. Note the date, time, and name of every person you speak with. If your husband's back payments get delayed because of their document mishandling, this documentation will be important for appealing any issues with the retroactive payment date.
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Sophie Hernandez
•Thank you for this additional advice. I haven't specifically mentioned Compassionate Allowances in our previous communications, so I'll definitely bring that up. And I've started keeping a detailed log of all our interactions since this issue began. I appreciate your help!
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Maria Gonzalez
just wondering did u get a receipt when u dropped off the papers?? they supposed to give u one i think. that could help prove u actually gave them the stuff if they try to deny it later
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Sophie Hernandez
•The representative gave us something, but it was just a generic timestamp receipt that doesn't specifically list what documents we provided. I wish I had asked for an itemized receipt now. Lesson learned for next time.
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