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Does anybody know if this impacts the earnings test? I'm 63 getting SS but still teaching part-time and they take back some of my benefits whenever I make over the limit. SOOOO FRUSTRATING!!!!

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That's a different issue than what the original poster was asking about. The earnings test is separate from WEP/GPO. If you're under Full Retirement Age (66-67 depending on birth year) and still working, SSA reduces benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($22,320 in 2025 for those under FRA). Once you reach FRA, there's no more earnings test.

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Update: I finally spoke with someone at Social Security. They confirmed there haven't been any changes to the GPO rules that would affect my situation. The agent explained that any legislation would need to specifically address retroactive changes to current beneficiaries like me. She suggested I check the SSA website every few months for updates or sign up for their email newsletter. Thanks everyone for your helpful responses!

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Thanks for updating us! Did they say anything about if there might be changes coming soon?

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The agent wasn't allowed to speculate about potential future legislation, but said there are always proposals being discussed in Congress. She just couldn't promise if or when anything might change.

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To directly answer your questions: 1. Yes, your SSDI benefit amount is your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) 2. Yes, you can receive a "top-up" spousal benefit but only if 50% of your husband's PIA exceeds your own PIA 3. Yes, your husband must file for his own benefits before you can receive any spousal benefits, even though you're on SSDI If your husband delays until 70, you won't be able to receive any spousal benefits until he files. This creates a dilemma for many couples - maximize one spouse's benefit by delaying, or file earlier so the disabled spouse can receive the spousal portion sooner. I recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to get benefit estimates based on different filing scenarios. This will help you make the best decision for your specific situation.

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Thank you for breaking it down so clearly! I've been trying to get an appointment with SSA for weeks but can't even get through on the phone. I'll keep trying though - we definitely need to understand the exact numbers to make a good decision.

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One more thing - when you do reach your full retirement age, nothing really changes with your benefit. Your SSDI simply converts to retirement benefits automatically, but the amount stays exactly the same. The only difference is that after FRA, the earnings limits no longer apply if you were to work.

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That's good to know! I don't plan to return to work, but it's helpful to understand how the transition works. Thanks for that additional info!

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THE SSA MAKES SO MANY MISTAKES!! My neighbor lost 4 months of benefits bcuz they didn't record her call properly! DOCUMENT EVERYTHING and don't trust what they tell you on the phone!!!!

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That's absolutely terrifying. It makes me wonder how many people are silently losing benefits they're entitled to because they don't know how to navigate this system. I'm getting really worried about my own filing now.

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Just to add some reassurance: while documentation is definitely important, the SSA does generally honor protective filing dates even if there's a scheduling delay. The system is designed to protect claimants' rights to benefits from first contact. One additional tip: if your sister wants to be extra cautious, she can start (but not necessarily complete) the online application process. This creates a definitive electronic record of intent to file with a timestamp, which can serve as backup documentation for her protective filing date.

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This is good advice, but my experience shows it's not 100% reliable. I started an online application AND called, and they still initially claimed to have no record of my intent to file. It took multiple calls and escalation to a supervisor to get it resolved. The system is overwhelmed right now, and mistakes happen more than they should. Belt and suspenders approach is definitely warranted.

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Has anyone tried growing lavender? I heard it's really profitable and easy to grow!

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This thread is about Social Security implications of a small business, not gardening tips. Please stay on topic and create a new thread if you want to discuss profitable plants.

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To answer your follow-up question about reporting: You should report changes to SSA when they happen, not just at tax time. You can report changes in work activity or earnings by calling SSA directly, visiting your local office, or in some cases through your my Social Security account online. Given that you're close to your FRA (66 and 4 months), it's worth noting that in the year you reach FRA, the rules become more lenient. For 2025, in the months before you reach FRA during your FRA year, the exempt amount increases to $59,520, and SSA only deducts $1 for every $3 you earn above the limit. Once you reach your FRA in August 2026, the earnings test no longer applies, and you can earn any amount without affecting your benefits.

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That's such a relief! I had no idea the rules were different in the year you reach FRA. So it sounds like even if I expand my little flower business a bit next year, I'll still be well under that higher threshold. I'm going to call SSA to confirm all this for my specific situation. Thanks again for the help!

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Wait I'm confused - I thought the new WEP/GPO bill didn't pass?? Did I miss something? Last I heard they were still debating it??

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The WEP/GPO reform was included in the recent tax package legislation that passed Congress and is now awaiting the President's signature - that's what the original poster is referring to. It hasn't been signed into law yet, but it has passed both the House and Senate as part of the larger bill. The provisions would gradually phase out the penalties rather than eliminate them immediately.

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Thank you all for the helpful information! This community has explained things better than hours of reading confusing government websites. I'm cautiously optimistic about the legislation but will wait to see the final details before getting too excited. I'll gather our records as suggested and be prepared to speak with SSA once the changes are official. And I'll definitely check out Claimyr when it's time to call - sounds much better than spending days on hold!

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