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Does anybody know if this impacts the earnings test? I'm 63 getting SS but still teaching part-time and they take back some of my benefits whenever I make over the limit. SOOOO FRUSTRATING!!!!
That's a different issue than what the original poster was asking about. The earnings test is separate from WEP/GPO. If you're under Full Retirement Age (66-67 depending on birth year) and still working, SSA reduces benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($22,320 in 2025 for those under FRA). Once you reach FRA, there's no more earnings test.
Update: I finally spoke with someone at Social Security. They confirmed there haven't been any changes to the GPO rules that would affect my situation. The agent explained that any legislation would need to specifically address retroactive changes to current beneficiaries like me. She suggested I check the SSA website every few months for updates or sign up for their email newsletter. Thanks everyone for your helpful responses!
Dylan Cooper
•Thanks for updating us! Did they say anything about if there might be changes coming soon?
The agent wasn't allowed to speculate about potential future legislation, but said there are always proposals being discussed in Congress. She just couldn't promise if or when anything might change.
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so sorry about ur son thats really tough. when we adopted our grandkids they told us we HAD to switch them to our benefits and we lost like $400 a month for each kid. later found out that wasnt true at all!! make sure u tell them specifically u just need to report the adoption but want to keep the kids on survivor benefits!!!!!
Aiden Chen
•This is unfortunately a common misunderstanding, even among some SSA employees. The adoption doesn't require a benefit type change. If you have documentation showing they were receiving higher benefits before, you might want to request a reconsideration of that determination - you may be entitled to back payments for the difference.
Jayden Reed
Just wondering - how old are you and your wife? If either of you are under Full Retirement Age and earn income, it could affect family benefits on your record (another reason to keep them on survivor benefits).
I'm 68 and my wife is 67, so we're both past FRA. I still do some consulting work but it doesn't affect our benefits anymore. That's a good point though.
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Sean Kelly
To summarize what everyone has said: 1. Yes, an ex-spouse married 10+ years can file for benefits on your record (equals up to 50% of your FRA benefit amount) 2. The Government Pension Offset would reduce any spousal/ex-spousal benefit by 2/3 of his pension amount 3. He doesn't need your birthplace to apply - SSA has that information 4. There could be Medicare premium advantages even if his Social Security benefit is reduced to $0 by the GPO If you're uncomfortable, don't provide the information. He can work directly with SSA for any legitimate benefit application.
Thank you so much for this clear summary! I've decided not to provide the birthplace information and instead suggested he work directly with SSA. Everyone's insights have been incredibly helpful.
my husband had government pension (firefighter) and we went thru this whole mess last year. the GPO wiped out EVERYTHING he might have gotten from my record. total waste of time!!!! 😡
Yes, this is extremely common with the GPO. Most people with substantial government pensions end up with $0 in Social Security spousal benefits after the reduction. The system seems punitive to those who worked in public service.
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Ally Tailer
Quick update on what a "summary matrix" might be - after checking with a colleague who worked at SSA, they believe the representative might have been referring to a "Detailed Earnings Query" (DEQY) or "Summary Earnings Query" (SEQY), which are internal SSA documents that do sometimes carry a fee for copies (around $82 for a certified copy). However, these are earnings documents and completely unrelated to birth date corrections. For a simple DOB correction, you only need your birth certificate and ID. The representative was either confused or misinformed you.
Brian Downey
•Thank you so much for checking on this! I think you're right - they must have been confused. I managed to get through on the phone this morning (after several attempts), and the new representative I spoke with confirmed I only need my birth certificate and ID. I have another appointment scheduled for next week.
Jacinda Yu
Glad to hear you got better information! DOB corrections are actually pretty routine for SSA. Make sure to bring the original birth certificate (or certified copy with the raised seal) to your appointment. Once corrected, I recommend printing a copy of your Social Security Statement afterward to verify the change was properly made in the system.
Evelyn Rivera
Wait I'm confused - I thought the new WEP/GPO bill didn't pass?? Did I miss something? Last I heard they were still debating it??
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Jackson Carter
•The WEP/GPO reform was included in the recent tax package legislation that passed Congress and is now awaiting the President's signature - that's what the original poster is referring to. It hasn't been signed into law yet, but it has passed both the House and Senate as part of the larger bill. The provisions would gradually phase out the penalties rather than eliminate them immediately.
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Lilah Brooks
Thank you all for the helpful information! This community has explained things better than hours of reading confusing government websites. I'm cautiously optimistic about the legislation but will wait to see the final details before getting too excited. I'll gather our records as suggested and be prepared to speak with SSA once the changes are official. And I'll definitely check out Claimyr when it's time to call - sounds much better than spending days on hold!
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