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My sister went through this and just didn't report some of her cash jobs. Just saying...

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I should point out that failing to report income to SSA is considered fraud and can result in penalties, repayment with interest, and even criminal charges in serious cases. All income should be properly reported to both the IRS and SSA.

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Based on your description, you may want to consider whether your husband qualifies for the Retirement Earnings Test (RET) exemption if he's in certain situations: 1. If he's truly retiring (reducing hours and earnings significantly) 2. If he's self-employed and will perform minimal services There's also a special rule when calculating benefits if he's truly stopping substantial work mid-year. In that case, regardless of annual earnings, he can receive full benefits for months where he earns under the monthly limit ($1,930 in 2025) AND doesn't perform substantial services in self-employment. I suggest scheduling an appointment with SSA to discuss these special rules, as they might apply to your husband's seasonal work situation.

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Thank you for mentioning these exceptions! His landscaping work definitely slows down dramatically in winter, so maybe the RET exemption would apply. I'll definitely ask about this when we talk to SSA.

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SSA rules are confusing!!! My aunt thought she would get both benefits too but ended up with just the higher one. Something about "dual entitlement" that the rep explained but I don't really understand all the details.

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Dual" entitlement is the technical term for this situation. It means when someone is eligible for both their own retirement benefit and a benefit as a spouse or survivor, SSA'doesn t pay both full amounts. Instead, they pay the'person s own benefit first, and then add only enough of the second benefit to bring the total up to the amount of the higher benefit. This effectively means you receive whichever benefit amount is higher, but not bothcombined.

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful information! I'm going to look into that strategy of delaying my benefits until 70 to maximize what my wife would get as a survivor. I had no idea about these rules, and I'm glad I asked before we made our claiming decisions.

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One more critical piece of advice: Request a "Technical Expert Review" specifically. These are SSA employees with specialized knowledge of complex provisions like WEP/GPO. The regular claims representatives often make mistakes with these rules. Also, if your mother's teaching service was after 1957, SSA should have records of her Social Security covered earnings from those years. Request her complete earnings record (SSA-7004) which might help prove her case. If the reconsideration is denied, you have 60 days to file for a hearing with an Administrative Law Judge. The success rate is much higher at this level because ALJs are more familiar with the nuances of these provisions.

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We will definitely ask for a Technical Expert Review. I think that's been part of the problem - talking to representatives who don't fully understand these exceptions. She taught from 1968-2003, so all her service should be covered under SS based on what you're saying.

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my uncle had something like this happen he said just keep calling every week for a status update or theyll forget about your case lol. the squeaky wheel gets the grease with these govt agencies

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You're probably right! I've been trying not to be a pest, but maybe that's exactly what's needed to get some movement on this.

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To respond to your follow-up question - yes, you should contact SSA when your husband files for his benefits. There's no automatic notification system, so you'll need to either: 1. Ask your children to let you know when he mentions filing for Social Security 2. Contact SSA periodically starting around his 62nd birthday to check his filing status 3. Wait until he reaches his Full Retirement Age (probably 67 for someone who's 60 now) when he's more likely to file And you're correct that from a purely Social Security benefits perspective, there's no financial advantage or disadvantage to getting divorced at this point. The benefits calculation would be identical either way since you were married well over 10 years. The only practical difference is the documentation process - as a current spouse, the connection is already established in SSA's system, while as a divorced spouse, you would need to provide marriage and divorce documentation.

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u know what tho, if ur husband is making good money maybe talkin to a lawyer bout a divorce and some spousal support might actually be worth it. just because ur separated dont mean ur not entitled to a share of his current income in some states. might be worth checkin on, just sayin

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That's an interesting point I hadn't considered. It's been so many years of complete financial separation that I never thought about that. Maybe I should at least consult with a lawyer about my options.

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im pretty sure u made the right choice. My cousin did somethin similar and his checks got bigger when he turned 70. The SS people sometimes don't know there own rules lol

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That's the unfortunate truth. The rules are complex, and not all representatives are equally well-trained. For specialized situations like benefit suspension, it's always best to ask for a Technical Expert or someone who specializes in retirement benefits specifically.

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Just to add one more technical detail - the DRC rate is 2/3 of 1% per month, which works out to 8% per year for each full year you delay. So in the original poster's case, if they suspend from age 68 to 70, they'd get approximately 16% increase from the DRCs earned during suspension (plus any COLAs that occur during that period). Also important: while benefits are suspended, any benefits payable to others on your record (like spousal benefits) are also suspended, except for divorced spouse benefits. Make sure that doesn't impact your situation.

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Thank you for this additional information! I'm not married, so thankfully I don't need to worry about suspending anyone else's benefits. The 16% increase over two years would be significant - that's why I was so upset when the rep told me I wouldn't get any increase at all! This thread has been incredibly helpful.

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