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Social Security told me no survivor benefits with SSDI - is that right after my husband died?

I need advice from anyone who understands survivor benefits with SSDI. My husband passed away at 73 last year after battling cancer. He had started collecting Social Security early at age 62. I'm currently 61 and have been on SSDI for about 8 years due to rheumatoid arthritis. When I contacted SSA about survivor benefits, the rep told me I would only get the one-time $255 death benefit because my SSDI payment ($1,845/month) is higher than what my husband was receiving from SS (around $1,420). We were married for almost 25 years. This doesn't seem right to me? I thought surviving spouses were supposed to get the higher of the two benefit amounts. Did I misunderstand something or did the SSA rep get it wrong? We paid into the system our whole lives and I feel like I'm missing out on benefits I should be entitled to.

Unfortunately, what the SSA told you is correct. Since your own SSDI benefit ($1,845) is already higher than your late husband's benefit ($1,420), you're not eligible for any additional amount as a survivor benefit. The survivor benefit would only apply if your husband's benefit was higher than your current SSDI payment. SSA pays the HIGHER of either your own benefit or the survivor benefit, not both added together. Since you're already receiving the higher amount through your own SSDI, there's no additional survivor benefit to be paid (except for the one-time $255 death payment). This is a common misunderstanding. Many people think they'll receive both benefits combined, but the rules only allow you to receive whichever single benefit amount is higher.

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Nia Davis

Thank you for explaining that. It's just frustrating because I feel like we both paid into the system all those years. So basically I would only get a survivor benefit if my SSDI was lower than his SS payment? That seems so unfair after 25 years of marriage.

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I went thru the EXACT same situation when my wife died!!! I was already on SSDI and they told me the same thing - only got that stupid $255 payment and nothing else. Been married 30 years and I thought that was RIDICULOUS! I tried to appeal it but got nowhere with SSA. Their system is totally messed up and they don't care about people who've worked their whole lives.

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Nia Davis

I'm sorry that happened to you too. Did you ever try to talk to a supervisor? I'm wondering if I should ask to speak with someone higher up who might understand the rules better. The whole thing just doesn't seem right.

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This is one of those situations where the rules work against dual-income couples. The survivor benefit rules were designed at a time when most households had only one worker. You're correct that you get the higher of the two benefits, but never both. One question - did your husband delay his retirement at all? If he took it at 62, his benefit was significantly reduced. If he had waited until Full Retirement Age (FRA) or even age 70, his benefit might have exceeded yours, and then you would've been eligible for the higher amount as a survivor. Also, while your SSDI automatically converts to retirement benefits at your FRA, as a widow, you do have options regarding WHEN to take survivor benefits versus your own benefits. But this only helps if the survivor benefit would be higher than your current SSDI.

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yeah my mom had the same issue when dad died. sucks but thats how it works. one benefit or the other, not both. system isnt designed for two-income families

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Nia Davis

No, he didn't delay at all. He took it as soon as he could at 62 because we needed the income at the time. I didn't realize that would impact survivor benefits down the road. That's really frustrating.

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Yuki Sato

If u haven't already, you should double-check the calculation. Sometimes SSA makes mistakes. Ask them for a detailed breakdown of how your husband's benefit was calculated and how the survivor benefit was determined. They should be able to show you the exact numbers. My sister thought she wasn't eligible for anything when her husband died but it turned out the SSA made a mistake in their calculations!

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This is good advice. While the general rule about receiving the higher of the two benefits is correct, it never hurts to verify the actual benefit amounts. Sometimes there are calculation errors or missing earnings records that can affect the benefit amounts.

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I've been dealing with Social Security for YEARS trying to navigate this crazy system. When you called SSA, how long did you wait on hold? I've found that half the time I get different answers depending on which agent I talk to. Some of them barely know the rules themselves. I used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) to actually get through to SSA without the crazy wait times. They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. I'd recommend trying to call again and specifically ask to speak with a Technical Expert or someone who specializes in survivor benefits. Regular agents sometimes miss important details. Also, when you talk to them, ask specifically if there would be any advantage to switching from SSDI to survivor benefits when you reach Full Retirement Age. Sometimes the calculations change at that point.

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Nia Davis

Thank you for the suggestion! I waited over 2 hours the last time I called and was so frustrated. I'll check out that service. And good point about asking for a specialist - the person I spoke with seemed rushed and didn't explain things very clearly.

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This whole thread got me thinking about my own situation... My wife and I are both in our 60s and I never considered how our benefits would work if one of us passed. Seems like whoever has the lower benefit might actually get more after the other passes, but the higher-earning spouse wouldn't get anything additional? Is that right? Should we be planning differently?

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That's exactly right. If your benefit is higher than your spouse's, and you pass away first, they would receive your higher benefit amount as a survivor benefit (replacing their lower benefit). But if they pass away first, and their benefit was lower than yours, you wouldn't receive any additional amount. As for planning, one strategy some couples use is having the higher-earning spouse delay claiming benefits until age 70 if possible. This maximizes the benefit that would be available to either spouse as a survivor. Early claiming (before FRA) permanently reduces not just your retirement benefit but also any future survivor benefit based on your record.

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I STILL think this is a TERRIBLE policy!!! Both spouses pay into SS their entire working lives but then one doesn't get squat when the other dies if they already have their own benefit?? How is that fair??? We should all be writing to our congress people about this!!! And don't even get me started on the WEP/GPO penalties that some of us face. The whole system needs to be overhauled!!!

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my parents dealt with that GPO thing too. my mom was a teacher with state pension and lost most of her SS when dad died. total ripoff

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One thing to clarify that might help others reading this thread: for retirement benefits, you can choose between your own benefit OR a spousal benefit (up to 50% of your spouse's FRA amount while they're alive). For survivor benefits after a spouse passes away, you can receive up to 100% of what your deceased spouse was receiving if you're at full retirement age (less if you take survivor benefits early). In both cases, you get the higher of either your own benefit OR the spousal/survivor benefit - never both combined. The OP's situation is unfortunately common - when both spouses have worked and earned their own benefits, sometimes the survivor rules don't provide additional amounts. The $255 death benefit hasn't been increased since the 1950s, which is why it seems so small compared to monthly benefit amounts.

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Nia Davis

Thank you for explaining it so clearly. It makes more sense now even though I'm still disappointed. I had no idea the $255 death benefit hasn't changed since the 1950s! That's ridiculous considering inflation.

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