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I lost my husband last year (about 10 months ago) and have been receiving survivor benefits since then. My original plan was to let my own retirement benefits grow by delaying them until I turn 70, since the delayed retirement credits increase my benefit by 8% per year after FRA. I reached my full retirement age about 3 months ago. Here's the confusing part - I just got a letter from Social Security saying: "If you apply for retirement benefits on your own social security number, our records show you may get higher benefits" and "Contact us right away to make sure that you do not lose any benefits and you receive the highest benefit possible." My own retirement benefit would be around 3 times higher than the survivor benefit I'm currently receiving, but I was intentionally delaying to get that 8% yearly increase. I'm worried that if I switch now, I'll miss out on those delayed retirement credits. Does this mean my strategy is wrong? Should I switch to my own benefits now? Will I lose money if I continue with my original plan? So confused by this letter!
My husband (63) and I (62) are both retiring in late January 2025 and planning to start our Social Security retirement benefits in February (payments starting March). We're still under our Full Retirement Age, so I know we're subject to the earnings test ($22,680 annually for 2025, I think?). Here's what's confusing me - we expect to get a sizeable tax refund in April 2025 for our 2024 taxes when we were both still working full-time. Would SSA consider that tax refund as income for 2025 earnings test purposes? Could they demand repayment of benefits if the refund pushes us over the limit? Our tax refund might be around $5,700. We've worked really hard to plan this retirement timing, and I don't want to mess up our benefit payments right at the start. Has anyone dealt with this specific situation before?
Yes, you can and should report your estimated earnings to Social Security when you apply for benefits. They will ask for this information during the application process. If your earnings change later in the year, you can update your estimate by calling SSA or visiting an office. Regarding your husband's potential consulting work - remember that for self-employment, SSA counts net earnings (after business expenses) and when the income is received, not when the work was performed. So if he does work in December but doesn't get paid until January 2026, that counts toward 2026's earnings test, not 2025. Based on everything discussed here, it sounds like your best approach is to: 1. Delay applying until March entitlement/April payment to avoid the January/February monthly earnings test issues 2. Report estimated earnings when you apply 3. Track any consulting income carefully 4. Remember your tax refund won't affect benefits at all
I'm in an unusual situation with Social Security survivor benefits that's causing me confusion. I've been widowed twice and am now remarried. Recently when discussing retirement planning, someone told me that my current wife won't be able to collect survivor benefits on my record when I pass unless I 'remove' my previous two wives from my SS beneficiary list. Is there any truth to this? Do I need to contact SSA to update something? I didn't even know there was a beneficiary list for Social Security. My current marriage is 8 years long if that matters. I'm 62 and planning to wait until 67 to file for my retirement benefits.
Just to add one more clarification: Multiple eligible survivors can receive benefits based on one worker's record simultaneously. So theoretically, if both your ex-wives were eligible for survivor benefits (if marriages lasted 10+ years and they never remarried before 60), AND your current wife becomes eligible in the future, all three could potentially receive benefits on your record. The benefits of one don't reduce or affect the others. This is why there's no need for any kind of "removal" process - the system is designed to handle multiple eligible survivors.
my grandma got remarried after my grandpa died and she still gets his ss payment every month! shes 82 now. the SSA doesn't care about ur previous marriages they just look at if u qualify now based on age and stuff
I need some advice about survivor benefits for my sister who's in a tough spot. She's 60 years old and battling breast cancer, currently on short-term disability from her job that's about to run out. Her ex-husband (they were married for 22 years) passed away last month. He had remarried about 5 years after their divorce. We're trying to figure out if she qualifies for any survivor benefits from her ex-husband's Social Security record given that he had remarried before he died? The cancer treatments are really taking a toll, and she's worried about income when her disability payments stop. Any insights would be greatly appreciated!
Just to clarify one thing I didn't see mentioned - if your sister is considering claiming both her own retirement benefit and the survivor benefit from her ex, she needs to understand that there are different rules for each. She can claim survivor benefits as early as 60 (or 50 if disabled), but her own retirement she can't claim until 62. If she's dealing with cancer, the disability route might make more sense as others have suggested. Wishing her all the best with her health and benefits situation.
tell ur sister to be careful about when she files!!! if she's still getting short term disability and then gets SSDI and survivor benefits she might end up owing money back to somebody. my friend got a huge overpayment notice from SS because her disability insurance didn't tell her they were offsetting for SSDI
This is an excellent point. Many private disability insurance policies have provisions that reduce their payments when you receive Social Security benefits. She should carefully review her short-term disability policy to understand any potential offsets. Some policies require you to apply for SSDI and then they reduce their payment by the SSDI amount.
Getting ready to retire soon and trying to figure out all the SS payment timing details. If I submit my retirement application for an April 1st benefit start date, I understand that I'd get my first actual payment in May, right? My situation is I'll have earned about $22,500 by mid-April when I plan to fully retire. But honestly, I'm worried I might get bored sitting around all day! If I pick up some part-time work later in the year, does the $22,500 I earned BEFORE starting benefits count toward my annual earnings limit? Or does SSA only care about what I earn AFTER my benefit start date? Really confused about how this earnings test works in the first year of retirement. Thanks in advance for helping this SS newbie!
wait i'm confused about something... you said you're making $17k through mid-april but then you said $22,500? which is it? the amount matters for the earnings test right?
One more important detail: make sure you apply for benefits 2-3 months before you want them to begin. While you can apply up to 4 months in advance, I recommend applying no later than February if you want April benefits. This gives SSA enough processing time to ensure your May payment arrives on schedule. And regarding the earnings limit - keep very careful records of all your work income after retirement. If you do pick up part-time work, report any changes to SSA promptly to avoid overpayment issues later. The monthly earnings test is actually designed to help people in your exact situation who have high earnings before retirement and limited earnings after.
CosmicCowboy
my financial advisor told me that for most widows its usually best to take survivor benefits first and then switch to your own at 70 IF your own benefit would be higher with the delayed credits. but if your own benefit is already 3x higher right now, waiting might not make sense. every situation is different!
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Yara Sayegh
There's actually a relatively simple way to calculate your break-even point. If your FRA benefit is $3,400 and you delay 4 years to get 32% more (about $4,488), you're giving up $2,200/month for 48 months ($105,600 total) to get an extra $1,088/month for the rest of your life after 70. $105,600 ÷ $1,088 = 97 months (about 8 years) to break even So if you expect to live beyond age 78, delaying still makes mathematical sense even with the big difference between benefits. Of course, this doesn't account for investment potential of that money if you took it earlier, or tax considerations.
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QuantumQuasar
AuthorThank you for breaking down the math so clearly. That really helps me understand the tradeoffs. Since women in my family typically live into their late 80s or 90s, waiting still might be the better option for me. I need to call SSA and confirm my exact benefit amounts to be sure.
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