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wait are u sure u can even get ex spouse benefits?? u have to be unmarried now and the marriage had to be 10 years i think

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Yes, I'm sure! We were married for 12 years (so over the 10-year requirement), I'm currently unmarried, and we've been divorced for over 2 years. I've checked all the eligibility rules on SSA.gov. I just don't have the certified copies of the documents yet to prove it.

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One last piece of advice - when you submit your application, take screenshots of the confirmation page and note the confirmation number. Also print the PDF copy of your application if the system offers it. If there are any issues later, having documentation of exactly what you submitted and when can save a lot of headaches. Also, set a calendar reminder to follow up if you don't hear anything within 2-3 weeks. SSA should send you an acknowledgment letter, but sometimes these get delayed. Being proactive about following up (especially regarding those marriage/divorce documents) will help ensure your January start date doesn't slip.

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Thank you! I'll definitely save everything and set reminders to follow up. I'm going to apply tonight and then try to reach someone by phone to confirm everything next week. Really appreciate all the helpful advice from everyone.

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WAIT are you sure your state isn't one of those weird ones with mandatory pension contributions even if ur still working??? my coworker in Ohio thought same thing but turns out money was going into account even before full retirement!! check ur paystub for pension deductions!!!

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Good point! I do have mandatory contributions going to our state retirement system, but I can't access any of that money until I actually retire. I think that's what's causing the confusion with SSA - they see I'm in a pension system but don't realize I'm not drawing benefits yet.

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For anyone hitting this thread with a similar issue - this is a perfect example of why it helps to file for Social Security benefits several months before you actually need them. These bureaucratic issues can take weeks or months to resolve, and you don't want to miss payments while waiting. The WEP/GPO provisions affect hundreds of thousands of public employees and the rules are exceptionally complex.

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You're right about filing early. I filed 4 months before my intended start date thinking that was plenty of time, but now I'm worried this will delay everything. I'll post an update once I get this resolved to help others in the same situation.

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One more thing to consider - if your husband passes away before you, at that point you would be eligible for survivor benefits. As a widow, you could receive up to 100% of what your husband was receiving (including his delayed retirement credits). So while you might not get additional spousal benefits now, his decision to wait until 70 could still benefit you substantially in the future through higher survivor benefits.

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This is exactly why my financial advisor told me and my wife to have the higher earner delay as long as possible - it's like buying life insurance through Social Security! The survivor benefit calculation is sooo much better than the stupid spousal benefit rules.

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dont forget about taxes!!!! if you get more SS benefits you might have to pay more taxes on them if your over the limit. my brother got a big surprise at tax time last year

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That's a good point. We're already paying some tax on our Social Security, but I'll keep that in mind if there is an increase. Thanks!

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Since there seems to be confusion about spousal benefits in this thread, let me clarify a few key points: 1. If you were born after January 1, 1954, when you file for either your retirement OR spousal benefit, you're automatically deemed to have filed for both. 2. The maximum spousal benefit is 50% of your spouse's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), but you only receive the higher of either your own benefit or the combination that gives you the most money. 3. If you file before your Full Retirement Age (FRA), both your own retirement and spousal benefits will be permanently reduced. 4. Your spouse must have already filed for their own benefits for you to receive spousal benefits (unless they're suspended due to earnings). The online application system does handle spousal benefits correctly if you indicate you're married and want to file on your spouse's record.

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wait so if my husband gets $2000 and my benefit is $700, will i get $1000 (half of his) or will i get $1000 PLUS my $700??? i keep getting different answers!!

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To the person asking about getting $1000 plus $700 - you don't add them together. You get the HIGHER of either your own benefit OR the spousal amount. So in your example, you'd get $1000 (which is higher than your $700). The system essentially tops you up to the higher amount. And @OP - for your original question, yes, the application date online becomes your official filing date. Print or screenshot your confirmation page as proof. And if you need to visit an office, use the online appointment scheduler at ssa.gov/locator - don't rely on phone agents to set it up.

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OMG thank you! that makes sense now. so i'll get $1000 total not $1700. appreciate the clear answer!!

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To clarify the technical aspects once and for all: The RIB-LIM rule (found in section RS 00615.020 of the SSA's Program Operations Manual System) states that when the worker files for reduced retirement benefits, the maximum amount payable to the spouse is limited to the higher of: 1. The difference between the family maximum benefit (FMB) and the worker's reduced benefit, or 2. The spouse's benefit before the RIB-LIM is applied This means that in SOME cases, the worker filing early can indirectly reduce what the spouse receives, even if the spouse waits until FRA. It depends on the specific benefit amounts and family maximum calculation for your case. So both sides of this debate are partially correct, which is why it's so confusing!

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That's an excellent technical explanation. I should have been more clear in my original response - in MOST common two-person scenarios, the RIB-LIM doesn't reduce the spousal benefit below 50% of PIA when they wait until FRA, but there are certainly exceptions based on the complex interaction with the Family Maximum Benefit. Each case truly does need individual analysis.

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Thank you everyone for the informative responses! I think I understand now why there's so much confusion online about this topic - because the answer isn't simply yes or no, but depends on how various rules interact with our specific numbers. I'll definitely try to get an appointment with an SSA claims specialist who can look at our exact situation. If the phone lines continue to be impossible, I might try that Claimyr service someone mentioned. I'll update this thread once I get a definitive answer for our situation in case it helps others in the same boat. Really appreciate all the knowledge shared here!

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