Will I only get Social Security survivor benefits when I retire at age 65 while self-employed?
I need some guidance about Social Security survivor benefits vs retirement benefits. My husband received SSDI after a workplace injury in 1994 until he passed away in 2022 at age 63. Since then, I've been collecting survivor benefits (about $1,875/month). I'm self-employed, running my own accounting service, and just turned 66. I plan to keep working for several more years, hopefully until I'm 70. A friend at church who used to work for SSA told me that even when I eventually stop working, I'll still only receive my survivor benefits, not my own retirement benefits. That doesn't sound right to me - I've been paying self-employment taxes for over 30 years and thought I'd be eligible for my own retirement benefits. What's the real story here? Can I switch to my own benefit if it's higher when I finally retire? Or am I stuck with survivor benefits permanently?
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Lucas Parker
Your friend is only partly right. When you stop working, you won't necessarily just get survivor benefits. SSA will pay you whichever is higher - your own retirement benefit or your survivor benefit. You don't get both added together though. At age 66, you're already at your Full Retirement Age (FRA) for survivor benefits. If you wait until 70 to claim your own retirement benefits, you'll get Delayed Retirement Credits (DRCs) which increase your own benefit by 8% per year. So waiting could potentially make your own benefit higher than the survivor benefit. I suggest calling SSA to get estimates of what your own retirement benefit would be at 70 vs. what you're getting as a survivor. That will help you make the best decision.
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Katherine Hunter
•Thank you! That makes much more sense. So basically, they'll compare the two amounts and give me whichever is higher? I was worried all those years of self-employment taxes were just going down the drain. I'll definitely call SSA to get those estimates.
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Donna Cline
To add to what the previous commenter said, as a self-employed person, you should know that SSA uses your highest 35 years of earnings to calculate your retirement benefit. This is called your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). If you continue working until 70, those higher-earning years might replace lower-earning years from earlier in your career, potentially increasing your own retirement benefit. This is especially important for self-employed individuals who often had years with lower reported earnings early in their careers. One strategy to consider: Since you're already at FRA for survivor benefits, you could actually switch to your OWN retirement benefit now if it's higher (though unlikely since you haven't maximized it yet), then switch BACK to survivor benefits later. Or continue with survivor benefits now and switch to your own at 70 if that ends up higher. SSA will help you determine the best approach.
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Harper Collins
•Wait what??? You can SWITCH BACK AND FORTH between your own retirement and survivor benefits?? I thought once you choose one you're stuck with it forever! I've been getting survivor benefits since my husband died 3 yrs ago. Nobody at social security ever told me this!!
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Kelsey Hawkins
I was in almost the same situation as you. My husband was on SSDI and passed away when I was 64. I kept working at my small business until 70. The survivor benefit was about $2050/month, but MY benefit at 70 ended up being $2890 because of the delayed credits AND because my last few working years were my highest earning years. When I finally stopped working, I had to ACTIVELY request that they review both benefits. They don't automatically give you the higher one - you have to ask them to check! So make sure when you're ready to retire, you specifically request they compare both benefits. It took about 3 months for them to process everything. Also, even though you're working, you should check your earnings record on the SSA website to make sure all your self-employment income is being properly credited. I found errors in mine that would have reduced my benefit if I hadn't caught them.
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Katherine Hunter
•That's really helpful - thank you for sharing your experience! I didn't realize I would need to specifically ask them to compare the benefits. I'll definitely do that when the time comes. And checking my earnings record is a great idea. I'm going to log into my SSA account this weekend to review it.
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Dylan Fisher
The system is COMPLETELY RIGGED against us! I went through this exact thing and let me tell you - they make it IMPOSSIBLE to get accurate information. I had to call FIFTEEN TIMES to get someone who actually knew what they were talking about! The first person told me exactly what your friend said - that I could ONLY get survivor benefits forever. WRONG! The second person said I could switch to my own benefit at any time. ALSO WRONG! The third person gave me a completely different answer about some weird offset rule that doesn't even exist!! My advice? Document EVERYTHING. Record names and dates of who you talk to. The left hand doesn't know what the right is doing at SSA and they will mess up your benefits if you don't stay on top of them!!!!
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Edwards Hugo
•omg yes the same thing happened to me! I got 3 different answers from 3 different ppl. so frustrating. its like they dont even train their employees
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Gianna Scott
I've been trying to reach someone at SSA for THREE WEEKS about this exact situation. Every time I call, I sit on hold for over an hour and then either get disconnected or told that I need to talk to a different department. I wish I could get through to someone who could explain all this to me clearly. Has anyone found a good way to actually get through to a real person at social security??
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Kelsey Hawkins
•I had the same problem trying to reach SSA until someone recommended Claimyr to me. It's a service that waits on hold with SSA for you and calls you when an agent is about to pick up. Saved me hours of frustration. Their website is claimyr.com and there's a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU I was skeptical at first but it worked great when I needed to sort out my retirement vs. survivor benefits question. Much better than sitting on hold all day or trying to get an in-person appointment.
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Harper Collins
my sister in law is going thru this right now. she kept working till 68 after her husband died. She got survivor benefits the whole time and was shocked when they switched her to her own retirement when she stopped working cuz it was like $300 more a month! so ya they should give u the bigger one but u gotta make sure they check both. she said they almost didn't tell her!
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Katherine Hunter
•Thanks for sharing that experience! It's reassuring to hear about others who were in similar situations. I'm definitely going to make sure they check both benefit amounts when I finally retire.
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Edwards Hugo
you can check your own benefit estimation on the ssa website if u create an account. just go to ssa.gov and make an account. it shows your earnings history and estimated benefits. its not exact but gives u a good idea.
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Harper Collins
•This is true but the website estimates don't account for survivor benefits vs your own! It just shows what your own would be. You still need to talk to a real person for the comparison.
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Dylan Fisher
One more thing - be careful about the earnings limit while getting survivor benefits before FRA. But since you're 66 and FRA for survivor benefits is currently 66, you should be past that problem. Just mentioning it for others reading this thread who might be younger.
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Donna Cline
•Good point about the earnings limit. For those who don't know: if you're receiving survivor benefits and are under your FRA, you can only earn up to a certain amount ($21,240 in 2023) before they start temporarily reducing your benefit. But once you reach FRA (like the original poster has), there's no earnings limit - you can earn any amount without affecting your benefits.
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Lucas Parker
Something else to consider - since you've been self-employed, make sure all your tax returns accurately reported your self-employment income on Schedule SE. I've seen cases where self-employed people accidentally underreported their income to SSA (while correctly reporting it to IRS), which reduced their Social Security benefits later. If you find any reporting errors from past years, you generally have 3 years, 3 months, and 15 days from the year in question to correct them. So you can't fix very old issues, but more recent ones might be fixable.
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Katherine Hunter
•I've always been careful with my Schedule SE since accounting is my business, but that's a good reminder. I'll double-check my recent returns just to be sure everything was reported correctly. Thank you!
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