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Confused about SS benefit sequencing with WEP/GPO - can I still take spousal now & switch to mine at 70?

I'm approaching my FRA (67 years 2 months) soon and feeling totally confused about my Social Security options. From discussions in other forums, I've seen several people mention a strategy of claiming the lower benefit (either personal or spousal) initially, then switching to the higher benefit at age 70 to maximize lifetime payments. After waiting nearly 3 hours on hold Monday, I finally spoke with someone at SSA to ask about this approach. She couldn't give me a clear answer but promised someone from my local office would call. Sure enough, they called today (missed it of course!), but when I called back I only waited about 15 minutes. Here's where I'm confused - the rep told me this strategy is impossible. She claimed when I file for any benefit, they automatically evaluate both spousal and personal benefits and just give me whichever is higher. She said I'm "deemed" as filing for both and can't let one grow while collecting the other. This is particularly frustrating because I'm affected by both WEP and GPO (from a government pension), which significantly reduces my benefits. I was hoping to collect maybe $500-600 in spousal benefits now while letting my own grow until 70. The rep seemed rushed to end our call because of their call volume, so I'm questioning her information. How are others managing to implement this strategy? Is she giving me accurate information? When I mentioned learning about this option from online groups, she dismissively said to "never trust social media, only trust SSA." Yet they rush me off the phone after making me wait hours! I'm really confused about how to maximize my benefits with these WEP/GPO complications.

To give you some concrete numbers about WEP, with 23 years of substantial earnings, your WEP reduction won't be the full amount. The maximum WEP reduction for someone reaching 62 in 2025 is about $613 per month, but with 23 years of substantial earnings, your reduction would be significantly less - about 70% of that maximum. Delaying until 70 still increases your WEP-reduced benefit by 8% per year beyond FRA. Since GPO is likely eliminating most or all of your spousal benefit anyway, focusing on maximizing your own benefit might be your best strategy. Consider requesting a detailed benefit calculation from SSA that shows your WEP-adjusted amounts at different claiming ages. This will give you the specific numbers to make your decision.

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Thank you for these specific numbers! This is exactly what I needed. I had no idea the WEP reduction would be less with 23 years of substantial earnings. I'm going to request that detailed calculation as you suggested. This makes me feel much better about my options.

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i think everybody born after 1954 got screwed by that law change!! my brother in law was born in december 1953 and got to do the restricted thing but my sister missed it by 3 months. not fair!!

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EXACTLY!!! The whole system is rigged against us. My cousin got to do this because she was born in 1952 and saved like $40,000 by using that strategy. Then they pull the rug out from under the rest of us. And now we're stuck with all these complicated WEP/GPO penalties too!!!

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i thought the earnings limit was $18,240? thats what my friend told me when i was thinking about applying early

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The $18,240 figure was from 2023. For 2024, it's $22,320 for those under FRA all year. This is why it's important to check the current year's limits as they change annually with cost-of-living adjustments.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful information! I'll wait for the mid-October announcement before finalizing my work plans for next year. And I'll definitely check out those email updates. It's frustrating that they make this so complicated, but at least I understand it better now.

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my sister said u can get retro payment up to 6 months when u file, so if u wait to file til 67.5 u still get paid from 67. not sure if that helps your plan??

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This is incorrect. Retroactive benefits only apply if you're past FRA, and they can go back a maximum of 6 months, not earlier than FRA. But importantly, taking retroactive benefits means accepting the lower benefit amount as if you had filed earlier. It's not free money - it reduces your ongoing benefit permanently.

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One more point to consider: Once you start collecting your benefit, your wife can file for her spousal benefit, but she'll face a reduction for claiming before her own FRA. At 62, her spousal benefit would be reduced to about 35% of your PIA instead of the full 50% she'd get at her FRA. If you're doing calculations, make sure to account for this reduction since she's under full retirement age. The exact percentage depends on how many months before her FRA she files.

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I hadn't factored that in - thanks for pointing it out. Her FRA is 67, so that would be a significant reduction if she starts at 62. We have some savings that could potentially bridge the gap if it makes more financial sense for both of us to wait until our respective FRAs. Lots to think about!

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btw the 10 year marriage thing DOES matter for spousal benefits too not just divorce! make sure you mention that when you call

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This is incorrect. The 10-year duration requirement only applies to divorced spouse benefits. For currently married couples, you only need to be married for 1 year before applying for spousal benefits. The original poster's 12-year marriage more than satisfies this requirement.

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To add to the excellent advice already provided: Once your wife applies for the spousal top-up, the SSA will calculate what's called the "excess spousal benefit." This is the difference between 50% of your PIA and your wife's PIA (not her reduced benefit amount). Since you mentioned your wife started claiming at 70, that's past her FRA, so she won't face any reduction in the spousal amount. However, the WEP elimination adjustment creates an interesting timing question. My suggestion: Have your wife contact SSA now to establish her intent to file for spousal benefits. This can protect her retroactive date while waiting for WEP adjustments to be fully processed. The SSA can set a protective filing date even if you haven't applied for your own benefits yet.

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Thank you - I didn't know we could establish a protective filing date for her spousal benefits before I even apply for my own benefits. That's extremely helpful! We'll definitely do that right away.

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i tried that claimyr thing someone mentioned when i had a survivors benefits question last month and it actually worked. got through to ssa in like 20 mins instead of being on hold for hours. just saying it might save u a lot of time

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how much does it cost tho?

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Thanks everyone for the helpful advice! I'm going to try calling using that Claimyr service tomorrow morning, and if that doesn't work I'll write everything on paper and send it certified mail. I'll make sure to include all my info - SSN, contact details, my expected earnings, and a clear explanation. I'll update if I run into any more issues. Really appreciate all the help!

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That sounds like a solid plan. Remember to keep a copy of whatever you send for your records. Good luck!

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