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my sister went thru this last yr. don't forget hes still eligible for the lump sum death benefit when u pass away even with GPO. not much but its something.
True about death benefit but it's only $255 - barely covers flowers at the funeral these days! The whole system needs fixing. Law enforcement and teachers get completely screwed by WEP and GPO even after working their whole lives. My neighbor taught for 30 years AND worked summers paying into SS and still lost thousands in benefits!
One final point that might help others in similar situations: If your husband had enough Social Security-covered employment (40 quarters/10 years), he would be exempt from the WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) that could otherwise reduce his own benefit. But GPO still applies to spousal benefits regardless of quarters of coverage. The distinction between WEP (affects your own benefit) and GPO (affects spousal/survivor benefits) confuses many people. And unfortunately, there's been legislation proposed to reform these provisions for years but nothing has passed yet.
That's a great point about the WEP vs. GPO distinction. And to clarify further for the original poster: even though your husband might not qualify for additional spousal benefits now, he may still be eligible for survivor benefits if you pass away before him. Survivor benefits can be up to 100% of your benefit (rather than the 50% for spousal), so even after the GPO reduction, he might receive some survivor benefits. This is something to consider for long-term financial planning.
My situation was different but same question basically. I started SS at 62 and kept working and they calculated based on my currnt year income. They made me give a estimate when i filed. Then every January they send this form asking about next years income estimate. Its annoying but better than owing them money later!!! They retroactivly take money if u mess up!!
Thanks everyone for the helpful information! I'm going to carefully track my earnings next year and make sure to give SSA a realistic estimate. I might try that Claimyr service too since I really need to talk to someone directly about my specific situation. I appreciate all your advice and hearing about your experiences!
Don't get too excited about the Fairness Act. They've been trying to pass this for TWENTY YEARS with no success! Congress doesn't care about retired teachers or police officers. All talk, no action. I'll believe it when I see it.
While I understand your frustration, there is more momentum now than ever before. The current bill has 305 cosponsors in the House (more than 70% of representatives) and 43 in the Senate. That's unprecedented support. Yes, there are legitimate funding concerns, but dismissing it entirely isn't helpful. Many advocacy groups believe some form of relief will pass in the next 1-2 years, even if it's not the full repeal originally proposed.
Thank you all for the incredibly helpful responses! This gives me much better clarity on how to advise my client. To summarize what I've learned: 1. Yes, deemed filing actually works in her favor here - she's already technically applied for ex-spousal benefits 2. If GPO is repealed, SSA would recalculate and pay her the higher amount 3. She should be prepared to contact SSA when/if legislation passes to ensure her case is reviewed 4. Implementation could take months even after passage 5. There's a good chance we'll see some modification rather than full repeal This has been extremely valuable - much appreciated!
You've got it exactly right. One final tip: have your client verify that her ex-spouse is properly linked to her record at SSA. Sometimes these connections aren't properly established in the system, which could delay any potential benefit adjustment. She can confirm this by requesting a copy of her Social Security Statement or asking specifically about this when speaking with an SSA representative.
One practical suggestion: Have your mother request an appointment with a Technical Expert at her local Social Security office, not just a regular claims representative. Technical Experts have more advanced training on these complex benefit calculation scenarios and can provide detailed explanations of how her specific benefit was calculated. Make sure she brings documentation of your father's disability approval, death certificate, and any correspondence about benefits. Ask specifically for a written explanation of how her survivor benefit was calculated and have them document any questions about alternative calculations in her file. If she believes there's been a mistake, she can request a reconsideration, but be aware these are rarely successful without clear evidence of a calculation error.
That's excellent advice - I didn't know about Technical Experts. I'll help her schedule that appointment. Would it be helpful to bring anything else to that meeting?
Yes, also bring any award letters your father received showing his approved disability amount, his Social Security statements (if available), and your mother's own Social Security statement. Also helpful: a list of specific questions written down, including asking about any potentially applicable exceptions or limitations like WIB-LIM. Being prepared with specific questions helps ensure you get complete answers.
Margot Quinn
my aunt just turned 62 and she got a spousal benefit that was like $200 more than her own benefit would have been. but she worked part time most of her life so her own benefit was pretty small.
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AaliyahAli
Thank you everyone for all the helpful responses! I've learned a lot about how the spousal benefit works. I think I'm going to go ahead and file now at 62 since we could use the extra income, even though it's reduced. One last question - do I need to bring anything special to prove my marriage when I apply?
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Henrietta Beasley
•For a spousal application, you'll need: 1. Your marriage certificate 2. Both your Social Security numbers 3. Your birth certificate (original or certified copy) 4. Your most recent W-2 or tax return 5. Bank account information for direct deposit If you've been married before, you may also need divorce decrees. It's always best to bring too much documentation rather than too little. You can apply online, but I recommend calling or visiting an office since this involves spousal benefits.
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