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Will my sister's survivor benefits be based on her husband's SSDI amount or his FRA retirement amount?

My sister just found out her husband (59) has been diagnosed with a rare aggressive cancer with a 2-3 year prognosis. He's applying for expedited SSDI through the Compassionate Allowance program, and based on his earnings record, his disability payment will be about $3,180 monthly - roughly $125 more than what his full retirement benefit would have been. My question is about what happens later with survivor benefits. When my sister eventually applies for survivor benefits (she plans to wait until her FRA), will her payment be based on what he was actually receiving from SSDI or what his retirement benefit would have been? I've gotten conflicting information from friends about whether being on disability affects survivor benefit calculations. He'll likely pass away at least 6-7 years before she reaches her full retirement age. Any insights from those who've been through this would be so appreciated.

One other thing your sister should know - the survivor benefit is 100% of what he was receiving ONLY if she waits until her FRA. If she takes it early (even a month early), it's permanently reduced. The reduction can be as much as 28.5% if taken at age 60. And don't forget to ask about disabled widow benefits if she's disabled herself - different rules apply. The emotional toll of all this paperwork and decisions while grieving is just awful. Please encourage her to get everything in order now while he can help. Maybe even set up a specific file with all the documents she'll need later.

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She's definitely planning to wait until her FRA. And thanks for the suggestion about getting everything organized now - we'll work on creating a file with all the important documents and information. I'm trying to help carry some of this burden for her so she can focus on spending time with him.

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet: She should ask about her husband establishing a "protective filing date" for his SSDI application as soon as possible, even before they have all documentation ready. This preserves an earlier entitlement date, which could affect backpay and Medicare eligibility. And when the time comes for her survivor benefits, she should specifically mention the "LSDP" (Lump Sum Death Payment) - it's only $255 but many people don't know to ask for it. Also, she should inquire about her eligibility for disabled widow's benefits if she has any disability herself, as different rules apply. Finally, I'd suggest both of them look into setting up my.ssa.gov accounts now if they haven't already.

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Thank you for the suggestion about establishing a protective filing date. I'll make sure he does that right away. And they both do have my.ssa.gov accounts already, which has been helpful for checking his earnings record.

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Social Security earnings limit for 2025 - changes for those under FRA?

Has SSA announced what the earnings limit will be for 2025 for those of us collecting early but still under Full Retirement Age? I'm turning 63 next March and started taking my retirement benefits this year, but I might pick up part-time work again. The 2024 limit was $22,320 before they start deducting $1 for every $2 earned, but I can't find anything solid about next year's amount. Anyone have the official 2025 figures? I'm trying to plan my work schedule for next year and don't want to accidentally trigger benefit reductions!

i thought the earnings limit was $18,240? thats what my friend told me when i was thinking about applying early

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The $18,240 figure was from 2023. For 2024, it's $22,320 for those under FRA all year. This is why it's important to check the current year's limits as they change annually with cost-of-living adjustments.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful information! I'll wait for the mid-October announcement before finalizing my work plans for next year. And I'll definitely check out those email updates. It's frustrating that they make this so complicated, but at least I understand it better now.

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Can I file and suspend Social Security to start spousal benefits for wife without enough work credits?

My wife (62) has only worked part-time jobs for about 6 years total and doesn't have enough work credits for her own Social Security retirement benefit. I'll be turning 67 (my full retirement age) next month and was planning to delay my benefits until 70 to maximize the monthly amount. We just learned that she can't claim a spousal benefit until I start collecting my retirement. I remember hearing about a "file and suspend" strategy years ago. Could I file for my benefits so she can start getting her spousal benefit, but then immediately suspend mine so I can still earn delayed retirement credits until 70? Or would suspending my benefit automatically stop her spousal benefit too? I'm trying to help her get some income now while still maximizing my benefit for later. Any advice would be appreciated!

my sister said u can get retro payment up to 6 months when u file, so if u wait to file til 67.5 u still get paid from 67. not sure if that helps your plan??

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This is incorrect. Retroactive benefits only apply if you're past FRA, and they can go back a maximum of 6 months, not earlier than FRA. But importantly, taking retroactive benefits means accepting the lower benefit amount as if you had filed earlier. It's not free money - it reduces your ongoing benefit permanently.

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One more point to consider: Once you start collecting your benefit, your wife can file for her spousal benefit, but she'll face a reduction for claiming before her own FRA. At 62, her spousal benefit would be reduced to about 35% of your PIA instead of the full 50% she'd get at her FRA. If you're doing calculations, make sure to account for this reduction since she's under full retirement age. The exact percentage depends on how many months before her FRA she files.

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I hadn't factored that in - thanks for pointing it out. Her FRA is 67, so that would be a significant reduction if she starts at 62. We have some savings that could potentially bridge the gap if it makes more financial sense for both of us to wait until our respective FRAs. Lots to think about!

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Can my wife claim spousal top-off after WEP elimination if I claim Social Security before FRA?

My wife (78) has been collecting Social Security since she turned 70, and her benefits were reduced by WEP. Now with the WEP elimination, I'm trying to figure out if she can get a spousal top-off based on my record. I'm turning 66 in about 13 months (my FRA), but considering starting my benefits early. I'm really confused about how this would work. If I claim 13 months before my FRA: 1. Would her spousal top-off still be calculated based on my FRA benefit amount, or would it be based on my reduced amount? 2. Does my wife need to submit a separate application for the spousal top-off? The SSA website only shows spousal applications for people who've never applied for benefits. 3. Should we wait until the WEP adjustment process is more settled before applying? We've been married for 12 years, and I'm not subject to WEP myself. Any guidance would be really appreciated - especially links to the right forms or specific names of what we need to apply for.

btw the 10 year marriage thing DOES matter for spousal benefits too not just divorce! make sure you mention that when you call

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This is incorrect. The 10-year duration requirement only applies to divorced spouse benefits. For currently married couples, you only need to be married for 1 year before applying for spousal benefits. The original poster's 12-year marriage more than satisfies this requirement.

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To add to the excellent advice already provided: Once your wife applies for the spousal top-up, the SSA will calculate what's called the "excess spousal benefit." This is the difference between 50% of your PIA and your wife's PIA (not her reduced benefit amount). Since you mentioned your wife started claiming at 70, that's past her FRA, so she won't face any reduction in the spousal amount. However, the WEP elimination adjustment creates an interesting timing question. My suggestion: Have your wife contact SSA now to establish her intent to file for spousal benefits. This can protect her retroactive date while waiting for WEP adjustments to be fully processed. The SSA can set a protective filing date even if you haven't applied for your own benefits yet.

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Thank you - I didn't know we could establish a protective filing date for her spousal benefits before I even apply for my own benefits. That's extremely helpful! We'll definitely do that right away.

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Social Security asking about income after FRA - do earnings limits apply if I start benefits in 2025?

I'm really confused about this Social Security application I'm filling out. I reached my Full Retirement Age (FRA) back in August 2024, but I've decided to wait until February 2025 to actually start my retirement benefits (hoping for that extra delayed retirement credit!). The application is asking me to provide income estimates for 2024 AND 2025, which doesn't make sense to me. I thought once you're past FRA, the earnings test doesn't apply anymore? Why would they need my 2025 income if I'm already past FRA when I start collecting? Is this just a standard form everyone gets, or am I missing something about how the earnings limits work? I don't want to accidentally trigger some reduction in benefits when I'm specifically waiting until after FRA to avoid that whole mess. Any insight would be appreciated!

Just to add some technical detail here that might be helpful: The earnings test that limits benefits only applies in these situations: 1. If you're collecting benefits before your FRA, the annual earnings limit applies ($22,320 in 2024). 2. In the year you reach FRA, a higher limit applies only to earnings in the months BEFORE the month you reach FRA ($59,520 in 2024). 3. Once you reach FRA, there is NO earnings limit, period. Since you reached FRA in April 2024, and won't start benefits until February 2025, the earnings test doesn't affect you at all. The SSA collects this information from everyone because their forms are standardized and the same information is relevant to many other beneficiaries. Also, continuing to work might actually increase your benefit amount if these earnings are higher than some earlier years used in your benefit calculation.

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Thank you for breaking it down so clearly! This confirms my understanding. I'll probably end up working about 20 hours a week next year, mainly to stay active, but it's nice to know I don't have to worry about how it affects my SS benefits.

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Thanks everyone for your helpful responses! I'm going to finish my application now with a lot more confidence. It sounds like this is just standard procedure and nothing to worry about since I'll be well past my FRA when I start collecting in February. Really appreciate all the explanations!

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Glad we could help! Good luck with your application and retirement!

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