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Can wife claim spousal benefits with husband at max SS benefit - both high earners?

My sister-in-law (62) is trying to figure out her Social Security strategy and asked me to check with people who might know. Her husband is 77 and already collecting his maximum SS retirement benefit since he was always a very high wage earner. She's also had a strong career with high earnings. She's thinking about waiting until her full retirement age to file, but wondering if she might qualify for any additional spousal benefits on top of her own record? I know there's that "excess spousal" thing but don't know if that applies when both people have good earnings histories. Would she get anything extra from being married to someone receiving maximum benefits, or should she just focus on her own record? Thanks for any insights!

Based on what you're describing, your sister-in-law probably won't qualify for any spousal benefits. When someone is a high wage earner themselves, their own benefit is typically higher than what they'd get as a spouse (which is 50% max of the other person's PIA). She should definitely focus on her own record. I went through this with my parents last year - both had good careers, and my mom got zero spousal benefits because her own record was higher. The spousal "excess" only kicks in when your own benefit is LESS than half of your spouse's.

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Kaylee Cook

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Thanks for explaining! I had a feeling that might be the case but wasn't 100% sure. So basically, if her own benefit is higher than 50% of his, then there's no "excess" to be had?

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Lara Woods

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My husband and I were in almost the same situation!!! I was also a high earner but still got a small spousal boost. Tell her to definitely check with SSA directly because sometimes the calculations are surprising. Everyone told me I wouldn't get anything extra but I did!

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That's interesting - did you have years where you didn't work or had lower earnings? Sometimes that can affect the calculation. Or did you file before your full retirement age? The spousal benefit can be complicated when you factor in all the variables.

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Adrian Hughes

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Whether your sister-in-law receives any spousal benefit depends entirely on the specific dollar amounts involved. Here's how it works: 1. SSA calculates her benefit based on her own work record (her Primary Insurance Amount or PIA) 2. SSA calculates her potential spousal benefit (which would be 50% of her husband's PIA - not his actual benefit amount) 3. If #2 is higher than #1, she gets her own benefit plus the difference ("excess") Since both are high earners, it's unlikely she'll receive any spousal excess, but the only way to know for certain is to compare the actual dollar amounts. She can create a my Social Security account online to see her estimated benefit, then compare it to half of her husband's PIA (which he can see on his SSA statement). It's also worth noting that claiming at her Full Retirement Age (66+) will give her 100% of her retirement benefit. Each year she delays past FRA until 70 increases her benefit by 8%.

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Kaylee Cook

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This is super helpful - thank you! I'll definitely pass this along. Do you know if they need to go in person to an office to get this calculation done officially? Or can they figure it out pretty accurately themselves using the online accounts?

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Molly Chambers

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I'm a high earner and my husband also gets max benefit. When I contacted SSA about this same question, they told me that spousal benefits are based on the PRIMARY INSURANCE AMOUNT, not the increased amount from delayed retirement credits. So even though your sister's husband is getting maximum benefits now (probably increased by delayed credits), the spousal calculation would be based on his PIA at full retirement age, which is lower. This tripped us up because we were comparing wrong numbers at first. But in the end, my own benefit was still higher than half of his PIA, so no excess spousal benefit for me.

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Ian Armstrong

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Yes!!!! This is such an important point! PIA is what matters for spousal, not the actual check amount. I missed this when I first filed and had to have them recalculate everything.

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Eli Butler

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Kaylee Cook

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3 hours on hold?? That's insane. I'll check out that service if we need to call - my sister-in-law has already tried calling twice and couldn't get through. Thanks for the tip!

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Ian Armstrong

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Just to add something no one mentioned - if your sister-in-law's husband passes away (sorry to be morbid), THEN she would be eligible for survivor benefits which could be up to 100% of what he was receiving. That's different from spousal benefits while both are alive. Something to keep in mind for future planning since there's a 15-year age difference.

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Lara Woods

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THIS!!! My mom got a huge increase when my dad passed because his benefit was way bigger than hers. Not something anyone wants to think about but important to understand!!!

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Your sister-in-law should definitely run calculations to determine her optimal claiming strategy regardless of spousal benefits. Since she's only 62, she has options: 1. Claim at 62: Permanently reduced benefits (approximately 30% reduction) 2. Claim at FRA (66 and 4 months if born in 1960): 100% of her PIA 3. Delay until 70: 132% of her PIA As a high earner, she might benefit most by waiting until 70 if her health and financial situation permit. This maximizes her lifetime benefit and potentially increases survivor benefits for her husband if she predeceases him (though less likely given the age gap). Since her husband is already 77, their claiming strategy is partially set. At this point, the spousal benefit question is mostly mathematical - if half his PIA exceeds her PIA, she'll get an excess spousal benefit. Given both are high earners, this is unlikely but worth checking with exact figures.

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Kaylee Cook

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Really good points about the delayed retirement credits. I know she was leaning toward waiting until at least her FRA, but I'll make sure she considers delaying even further to 70 since she's still working and doesn't need the income yet.

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Lara Woods

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Has your SIL checked if she'd be subject to WEP or GPO??? My friend's wife thought she'd get spousal benefits too but got hit with the windfall elimination provision because she had a government pension!!! If your SIL worked for state govt or federal job without paying into SS, that could change EVERYTHING!!!!

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Adrian Hughes

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Good point about WEP/GPO, though the original post mentioned both were high wage earners, which suggests they both paid into Social Security throughout their careers. But you're right that if either had non-covered employment (government jobs without SS taxes), that would significantly change the calculations.

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Ian Armstrong

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Just wanted to share that I was in this exact situation - high earner husband, also good income myself. I got ZERO spousal benefits. My own benefit at FRA was about $2,800 and half of his PIA was only $1,900 so no excess for me. Probably same for your sister-in-law if she has a good earnings record.

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Kaylee Cook

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Thanks for sharing your real numbers - that helps put things in perspective. I'm guessing she'll be in a similar situation based on her career, but at least now she knows what to expect!

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