Will delaying my Social Security affect survivor benefits if husband takes SS at 62?
I've been reading about Social Security survivor benefits and I'm confused about our situation. My husband and I are both 59 now, so we're thinking about our claiming strategy. He wants to take his benefits as soon as he hits 62, but I was planning to wait until my full retirement age (67) or maybe even 70 to get the delayed retirement credits. My PIA is higher than half of his, so I know I won't qualify for spousal benefits. What I'm trying to figure out is: If I delay taking my own Social Security until FRA or 70, will that increase the survivor benefit I'd get if he passes away first? Or does it only matter when HE claims, not when I claim? I've heard conflicting things - some people say survivor benefits are based on what the deceased spouse was receiving, others say it depends on WHEN they claimed. This feels like a morbid conversation, but we need to plan realistically. Would appreciate any insights from people who understand this stuff better than I do!
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Leeann Blackstein
My understanding is that if your husband claims at 62, he'll lock in a permanently reduced benefit - about 30% less than his full retirement age amount. If he passes away, your survivor benefit would be based on what he was actually receiving. So him claiming early DOES reduce your potential survivor benefit. BUT - there's an exception if you're at your full retirement age when you claim survivor benefits. In that case, you'd get 100% of his FULL retirement age benefit, not his reduced benefit. This is why it's often advised for the higher-earning spouse to delay claiming as long as possible. Since your own benefit is higher, you'd probably want to take your own retirement benefit instead of survivor benefits anyway. You should check out the SSA.gov website which explains this better than I can.
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Liv Park
•Thanks for explaining this. So if I understand correctly, if he claims at 62 but I'm already at my FRA when he passes away, I'd still get his full FRA amount as survivor benefits? And then I compare that to my own benefit and take whichever is higher?
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Ryder Greene
Actually, there's some confusion here that needs clearing up. When it comes to survivor benefits, what matters is: 1. The age at which your husband claims affects how much HE receives and establishes the BASE for your survivor benefit 2. The age at which YOU claim survivor benefits determines whether you get a reduction If your husband claims at 62, he'll receive about 70% of his FRA benefit. If he passes away, and you claim survivor benefits at your FRA or later, you would receive what he was receiving when he died, including any cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) that had been applied since he started receiving benefits. BUT - and this is important - there's a special rule: If your husband claims early and passes away, as a widow at FRA you're entitled to the HIGHER of: - What he was actually receiving when he died - 82.5% of his full retirement age benefit amount This is sometimes called the "widow(er)'s limit." So him claiming early doesn't hurt you quite as much as it might seem. As for your own claiming strategy, since your benefit is higher than his, you would ultimately get the higher of your own benefit or the survivor benefit.
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Carmella Fromis
•Is it really 82.5%? I thought widows got 100% of their deceased spouse's FRA benefit if the widow is at FRA? The SSA website is so confusing on this stuff!
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Theodore Nelson
So sorry about planning for this sad stuff. My hubby died last year and I had NO IDEA how any of this worked. If your social security is more than his will be then youll just keep getting your own benefit if he passes. That's what they told me at the SS office when I went in. But if his benefit would be larger than yours, then yes when he dies you would get HIS amount instead of yours. But the person above is right that if he takes it early at 62 then his benefit will be much lower which means the survivor amount would be lower too.
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Liv Park
•I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing your experience - it helps to hear from someone who's been through this. It sounds like I need to consider how much his benefit would be reduced by claiming at 62 versus what my own benefit will be at FRA or 70.
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AaliyahAli
Wait I'm getting confused with all these percentages and rules... So basically if the husband takes SS at 62 and gets a reduced amount, and then passes away, the wife would get that same reduced amount as survivor benefits? That seems unfair!
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Ryder Greene
•Not exactly. There's a special rule called the "widow(er)'s limit" that provides some protection. If the husband claimed early and gets reduced benefits, when he passes away, the surviving spouse at FRA would get the HIGHER of what he was actually receiving OR 82.5% of his full retirement age benefit. So there is some protection, but it's still generally best for the higher earner to delay claiming if possible, especially if there's a significant difference in benefit amounts between spouses.
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Ellie Simpson
Let me try to simplify this based on my experience helping my mom after dad passed: 1. Your husband claiming at 62 WILL permanently reduce his own benefit by about 30% 2. When survivor benefits come into play, you'll get the HIGHER of: - Your own retirement benefit - What your husband was receiving (including any COLA increases) - 82.5% of your husband's FRA benefit (if he claimed early) Since your own benefit is higher than 50% of his, and you're planning to wait until FRA or later, it's VERY likely your own benefit will be higher than any survivor benefit from his record. The best strategy financially would be for BOTH of you to delay as long as possible, especially the higher earner. But I understand many people need or want to start at 62, and that's a personal decision. Also, remember you can always: 1. Claim survivor benefits first and then switch to your own retirement later, OR 2. Claim your own retirement first and then switch to survivor benefits Whichever gives you the highest benefit for the longest time.
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Liv Park
•Thank you for breaking it down! This makes a lot more sense now. Since my benefit is higher, it sounds like I should definitely delay taking mine as long as possible. And I'll talk to my husband again about the impact of him claiming early - not just on his benefit but potentially on mine too if I outlive him.
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Arjun Kurti
Ugh I spent HOURS trying to get through to SS on the phone last month to ask almost this exact question!!! Kept getting disconnected or waiting forever. Finally I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real person at SSA in about 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent I spoke with confirmed what others are saying here - if your husband claims early, your potential survivor benefit would be reduced unless you're at FRA when you claim it. Since your benefit is higher anyway, it probably makes sense for you to delay yours as long as possible regardless of what he does. But honestly, I'd recommend talking directly to SSA about your specific situation rather than relying on us random internet people!
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Liv Park
•Thanks for the tip about Claimyr! I've been dreading making that call because of the wait times, but this sounds like it could save a lot of frustration. You're right that I should probably speak directly with SSA about our specific numbers to make the best decision.
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Leeann Blackstein
One thing no one has mentioned yet - there's a HUGE advantage to the higher-earning spouse delaying benefits until 70 if possible. Each year you delay past FRA increases your benefit by 8%, so waiting from 67 to 70 gives you a 24% higher benefit FOR LIFE. And if that higher-earning spouse dies first, that higher amount becomes the survivor benefit (assuming it's higher than the surviving spouse's own benefit). So in your case, since your benefit is higher than his, you might want to strongly consider waiting until 70 to claim, especially if you have longevity in your family.
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Carmella Fromis
•This is SUCH good advice! My financial advisor told me the same thing - that delaying the higher earner's benefit is like buying the cheapest life insurance policy ever if that person dies first. The survivor gets that higher amount for the rest of their life!
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Theodore Nelson
Im still confused about something... if the husband takes SS at 62 but then keeps working, doesnt his benefit amount go up? And then wouldnt that mean the survivor benefit goes up too?
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Ellie Simpson
•Great question! If he claims at 62 but continues working, two things can happen: 1. If he earns over the earnings limit ($22,320 in 2023), they'll withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 he earns above that limit until he reaches FRA. 2. SSA will recalculate his benefit amount annually to include those additional earnings years, which could increase his benefit slightly if those years are higher earning than the ones used in his original calculation. But the early claiming reduction is permanent - it doesn't go away. So while working might increase his benefit somewhat, he'll always have that early claiming penalty applied.
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